Yeah, I know all of that, we all do. Did you see where I put "overcome" in quotes...? I guess, once you get past the anger involved with being this thoroughly let down, you find yourself asking "how" and "why"...and that's what I was getting at. In their minds, they DID overcome what they had to. The fact that they collectively seemed to have ignored the subsequent long term suffering of following generations, to my mind, borders on a sort of mass, generation wide hypnosis...basically making them the generational equivalent of the meme with the cat in a burning room going "this is fine", but in our case their own children and grandchildren were burning in the flames too.