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I'm talking the pensions that pay 3x your salary you made while working. LA it was reported used a 6 or 8% increase in value in stocks during the Clinton presidency, then they never changed it even during the recession after 9/11 so they dug themselves in deep. I was reading and some pensions are costing California cities 1/4 or more of their budget because they didn't actually have the money put away for them and now everyone is suffering taxwise because they blew the fucking money on illegals for school and healthcare and other shit anyone with common sense would say what the fuck are you retarded we need to lower taxes to attract business not raise them and have business and the tax base leave.