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Funny.

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Here are a few reasons why 1 vote, 1 person, 1 identity CANNOT EVER BE safe:

a) 1 vote, 1 person, 1 identity ALWAYS means that you can tie an individuals identity to their vote. Any voting system that cannot be guaranteed to be secret ballot cannot be gurataneed to be free.

The reason that is true is the single master key problem. In an electronic system, a single master key can NOT ONLY match the identities to the votes eliminating any and all possibilities of ever having a secret ballot, a single master key can change votes instantly AND cover all of their tracks forever. And, yes, blockchain cannot solve the issue because a single master key can just wipe out the original blockchain and replace it in a fraction of a second with one that is altered to favour the parties. For every cryptographically sound solution you will bring up in response to this, I will be able to proposed a method to subvert it without ever having to break the cryptography.

Please note that if you start to argue that the code should be open source, I agree. However, I will require you to argue that all of the firmware, virtualization layers AND all schematics for all pieces of hardware will need to be open sourced and verifiably confirmed as valid representations of the hardware it represents, because both of us know that the people that own the virtualization layers on cpus, operating systems on cpus, TPM chips, firmware on the nic cards and never mind the insertion of middle men in chip form on to the motherboard bus are THE REAL PEOPLE THAT CONTROL THE ELECTION. Not the os, not the software counting the votes and writing them to a public blockchain, not the sysadmins, not the owners of the companies making the vote counting machines and most certainly not the voters.

In other words, what you meant to write is that the only thing that has been verified secure is a veeeeeeeeery thin layer of software and processes sitting on top of a morass of an ecosystem underneath that HAS NOT AND CANNOT BE VERFIED in any shape, method or form.

b) The only method that we know of that allows for reasonable guarantee of a secret ballot is the paper vote. The reason for this is that even with multiple master key access, there is no way to discard all of the votes and replace them with new ones. All that you can do is pollute the vote. In addition to that, the evidence is ALWAYS MATERIAL and never ephemeral, which means, a normal person WITHOUT any special training can audit the vote, and the vote can be audited publicly while remaining a slient vote in order to guarantee freedom of opinion.

Or to put it another way, those that own the voting computer own the caluclations used to count the votes. Or, to put it yet another way, the reason the last election was so easily stolen was that the computers allowed for syadmins to go in after the election and change / delete evidence, go in during the vote and adjoudicate votes and then delete the evidence AND on top of that, take all of your paper ballots in a few vans in the back and shuffle them through the computerized scanners (as opposed to humans) and do it so quickly as not to even hold anyone up.

You are incorrect.

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a) 1 vote, 1 person, 1 identity ALWAYS means that you can tie an individuals identity to their vote.

Fundamentally wrong. You do not understand secure electronic voting, at all.

If what you said was correct, then every single system that made it to the 3rd party audit step would get failed and they could not implement their system. The target of the votes from that 1 person is decoupled but the identity itself gets an assigned value for that particular voting object (the session) making it impossible for that voter to make another entry, again. Two separate object values that are in no way coupled, at all, in the entire black chain. If what you said was correct, then no password would ever work because every system everywhere would know the password and that is absolutely absurd to think something like that.

b) The only method that we know of that allows for reasonable guarantee of a secret ballot is the paper vote.

False. The 2020 election proved that paper ballots are among the least secure voting methods possible.

The most secure method, as proven by multiple cybersecurity audits, is secure electronic voting that meets basic elements.

If you are actually interested in secure electronic voting, how it works, and how security works with it, please read this:

https://www.attejuvonen.fi/thesis-voting-security-2019-10-01.pdf

If you are not and just want to screech into the wind, please ignore everything I said and continue to reply with ignorant talking points that were addressed in the 1980s and 1990s.

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>If what you said was correct, then no password would ever work because every system everywhere would know the password and that is absolutely absurd to think something like that.

LOL.

Up intil recently Intel literally has an entire OS running on their CPUs based on Minix, link: https://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/

Hey, you wrote that for the whole world to read, not me. I agree, we can just disregard everything you wrote.

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You didn't refute anything I said at all.

And, instead, doubled down, and are now saying that all systems send plain text passwords for all authentications for every system, ever. Unless you'd like to retract your pretend rebuttal and admit you don't know what you're talking about?

Hur dur, Minx, therefore, everyone will know who you voted for!

Check your shoes: they are probably untied. Ensure you put your pants on, too.