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This is the exact reason they are pushing these things and outlawing gasoline and diesel cars. To restrict and prevent travel.

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Owning one in CA is certainly insanity.

Of course, this is a big part of the green push. You cannot have green energy without backing it with fossil or nuclear power. Which means the true cost of green energy is its cost plus the backing costs. It's literally impossible for green energy to ever be cheaper than fossil fuel. Well, not without significant inventions.

Interestingly enough, nuclear actually is green energy and it's cheaper and safer than everything.

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People are gleefully ignorant that Chernobyl wasn't an accident. It was a conscious mistake made because of ego and hubris.

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Agreed. With every nuclear accident to date, nuclear is safer and requires less land and lower cost (most of which is artificial) than everything else.

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I have a mixed feeling about Nuclear plants. First there is nuclear waste.... lot of radioactive waste. You can throw this shit in Oceans and get radioactive leaking after some time, or bury it somewhere and get radioactive poisoning after some time. Other than that, nuclear plants have his expiration date. After some time you must shut it down, clean as much as possible and very carefully 'wrap up' to avoid radioactive leaking... and maintenance this shield, monitoring situation for hundred of years. Conservative estimate of shutdown cost are 3 or more times of costs of building nuclear plant. Heh, for sure shitbags will cut all corners to make seal cheaper.

On the other hand there are Thorium nuclear plants, old technology, but unfortunately abolished... because there is no military usage. China make some experiments in recent time, until west still believe in solar / wind magic. If west continue with this bullshit, he will become dependent not only of Mid East oil, but also will be dependent of Chinese technology, energy. With all respect solar / wind are not practical as main energy source. Also are not so 'green', environment friendly like they lie. Price is also much higher, when you account all costs, but who care, this will be pay for citizens pockets.

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First there is nuclear waste.... lot of radioactive waste

On average only 2% of the fuel is used. The waste isn't actually waste. It's fuel. 98% fuel. Carter screwed us on this. It's a pen stroke away from fixing itself.

Conservative estimate of shutdown cost are 3 or more times of costs of building nuclear plant.

Nope. Leftist propaganda. They are required to fund decommissioning up front. Coal has similar expenses as coal is radioactive come decommissioning. They are not required to fund decommissioning.

The cost of nuclear is dramatically artificially inflated. Even with all this, it remains the cheapest form of electricity.

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Because making your cars powered by something you can generate right on your property is more restrictive than a fuel that requires drilling rigs, pipelines, and a refinery?

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Who is going to do that? And you need computers to run the things. In the 60s you could get a diesel van that could run on old frying grease that you could fix yourself, and even get a local machinist to mill replacement parts.

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Who is going to do that?

Everybody with solar panels on their roof, or $5000 to buy some.

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Or for solar panels that make electricity, not the ones that make gas.