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we are born into this world based on principle of karma.

Says you, street shitter. Personally, I was born with a spark of divine Creation within me, and my free will is sacrosanct. You, on the other monkey's paw, are still trying to drag yourself up out of the animal muck, and you require crutches such as silly external codes of conduct, taboos, and patently-false philosophical sand castles such as "kharma" that you can literally see not playing out in real time all around you every day. If the concept of kharma wasn't as fake as a stripper's tits, the world would be a very different place, most likely filled with spacefaring trilobites.

But no, the sudden cold snap kills the innocents in their eggs just as thoroughly as it kills the Sinners and the Saints and the Indifferent. Fate is far more fickle than your street-shitter false religion could ever begin to comprehend. Fate is indifferent to opinion, to right or wrong, to beauty or ugliness, and only bows to Truth. To the objective hard reality of the collapsed probability wave.

the creator thing is irrelevant.

what isnt irrelevant is if he was a good person or an asshole.

if a creator is to exist, he is an asshole.

its irrelevant if we have a creator or not because we are in a condition where it is up to us to help ourselves. unless you also beleive you can shout hail mary 3 times and get access to a theme park. and that isnt rude at all to say because essentialy that is what it takes to get into heaven for many.

and heaven seperates people from who they love and in heaven you are feeding off nice-itites all the time,, thats the allure of it.

if a creator is to exist, he is an asshole.

Children call their parents assholes for their tough love too. Just because you're too limited to understand things doesn't mean that your stupid guesses about the nature of Existence are right.

no. no.

parents dont lets a baby be born into starvation and tourture, with no bible and then send them to hell.

you call me stupid still. look at yourself.

Karma explains plenty that happens in this life, both mundane and supramundane and beyond this life i think so.

christianity cant explain much and they throw their hands together and 'pray' over ambiguous ideas.

look how they approach sensuality; no general heed is put forth. thats why you get extravagant preachers and criminals who beleive.

the actual bible has little disemination at all in any church.

the buddha once said that we cry more tears over our births than wter in the ocean

That's dumb. You're dumb.

what you are really saying is you can say silly things because i say silly things..

but the idea of going on to live we both believe. just you think suffering stops but life continues and i think suffering is tied living&feeding.

i understnad you consider this debate over and im right.