putting aside content, community and admin retardation and looking at product and ideology... All user input internet is shit. All of it. Voat is the best product. Ideology is retarded, but the best of the three. The site works with old archetecture, it is easy to see what is going on and you dont have to go cross eye just trying to scan the threads. phuks, used many years ago for a brief moment. i dont remember the product. ideology is incredibly retarded and put me off entirely. I hate these style of sites. Give me an old forum any day. One run by dictator that is the king of his domain and enforces a million or no rules that when users break, he does something retarded to them because it's funny.