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A long-standing rumor suggests that the Facebook and Facebook Messenger apps drain the battery on cellphones that have the apps installed. If you believe former Facebook employee George Hayward, a data scientist, Facebook can secretly drain the battery on its users' cellphones on purpose. As reported by The New York Post, there is actually a name for what it is that Facebook is doing, It is called "negative testing" and it allows tech companies to secretly run down the batteries on someone's phone in order to test features on an app or to see how an image might load.

Hayward was fired by Facebook parent Meta for refusing to participate in negative testing. "I said to the manager, 'This can harm somebody,' and she said by harming a few we can help the greater masses. Any data scientist worth his or her salt will know, Don’t hurt people," he told the Post.

Hayward was axed by Meta in November and originally filed a lawsuit against the company in Manhattan Federal Court. The 33-year-old worked for Meta's Facebook Messenger app which delivers text, phone calls, and video calls between users. In the suit, Hayward's attorney, Dan Kaiser, pointed out that draining users' smartphone batteries puts people at risk especially "in circumstances where they need to communicate with others, including but not limited to police or other rescue workers."

Social media apps like Facebook Messenger can intentionally drain the batteries powering users' smartphones - Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee Social media apps like Facebook Messenger can intentionally drain the batteries powering users' smartphones

The suit had to be withdrawn because Meta's terms of employment forced Hayward to argue his case in arbitration. Kaiser says that most people have no idea that Facebook and other social media companies can drain your battery intentionally. Commenting on the practice of negative testing, the lawyer added, "It’s clearly illegal. It’s enraging that my phone, that the battery can be manipulated by anyone."

Originally hired in 2019, Hayward was receiving a six-figure annual paycheck from Meta. But when it came to the company's request to perform the negative testing, Hayward said, "I refused to do this test. It turns out if you tell your boss, 'No, that’s illegal,' it doesn’t go over very well."

At one point during his employment at Meta, the company handed Hayward an internal training document titled "How to run thoughtful negative tests." The document included examples of how to run such tests. After reading the document, Hayward said that it appeared to him that Facebook had used negative testing before. He added, "I have never seen a more horrible document in my career."

A long-standing rumor suggests that the Facebook and Facebook Messenger apps drain the battery on cellphones that have the apps installed. If you believe former Facebook employee George Hayward, a data scientist, Facebook can secretly drain the battery on its users' cellphones on purpose. As reported by The New York Post, there is actually a name for what it is that Facebook is doing, It is called "negative testing" and it allows tech companies to secretly run down the batteries on someone's phone in order to test features on an app or to see how an image might load. Hayward was fired by Facebook parent Meta for refusing to participate in negative testing. "I said to the manager, 'This can harm somebody,' and she said by harming a few we can help the greater masses. Any data scientist worth his or her salt will know, Don’t hurt people," he told the Post. Hayward was axed by Meta in November and originally filed a lawsuit against the company in Manhattan Federal Court. The 33-year-old worked for Meta's Facebook Messenger app which delivers text, phone calls, and video calls between users. In the suit, Hayward's attorney, Dan Kaiser, pointed out that draining users' smartphone batteries puts people at risk especially "in circumstances where they need to communicate with others, including but not limited to police or other rescue workers." Social media apps like Facebook Messenger can intentionally drain the batteries powering users' smartphones - Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee Social media apps like Facebook Messenger can intentionally drain the batteries powering users' smartphones The suit had to be withdrawn because Meta's terms of employment forced Hayward to argue his case in arbitration. Kaiser says that most people have no idea that Facebook and other social media companies can drain your battery intentionally. Commenting on the practice of negative testing, the lawyer added, "It’s clearly illegal. It’s enraging that my phone, that the battery can be manipulated by anyone." Originally hired in 2019, Hayward was receiving a six-figure annual paycheck from Meta. But when it came to the company's request to perform the negative testing, Hayward said, "I refused to do this test. It turns out if you tell your boss, 'No, that’s illegal,' it doesn’t go over very well." At one point during his employment at Meta, the company handed Hayward an internal training document titled "How to run thoughtful negative tests." The document included examples of how to run such tests. After reading the document, Hayward said that it appeared to him that Facebook had used negative testing before. He added, "I have never seen a more horrible document in my career."

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[–] 6 pts

If you have a facebook account you're an idiot. If you have the facebook app installed on your phone, sorry, but you're a complete retard and deserve everything they do to you

[–] 2 pts

I haven't had the misfortune of buying a phone for a while, bit several people tell me facebook is installed on their phone and they can't uninstall it without rooting it.

[–] 1 pt

Some android phones come with it. It's a placeholder, not an app. It's like 50kb or something. Click it to download the app which is a few hundred mb. The placeholder can be disabled too. If you actively use the app with an account, you're retarded

[–] 0 pt (edited )

Unless you root or pay to clear most new phone come with fb installed

not sure if account vs actual program on device matters

[–] 1 pt

Permissions are governed by the user through the android system or apple system. If android or apple are permitting backend access to the phone's deeper systems, that's the reason "simply having the app" would be a problem. If the user uses and permits all of the app to do whatever on it's phone, then yeah, of course malicious shit is going to happen

[–] 3 pts

I also read that phone manufacturers speed up battery use with updates so you'll want the next amazing new model.

[–] 2 pts

Sort of related I guess, but I noticed that a day or two prior to the January 6th “insurrection”, the battery life on my phone was abysmal. It continued through January 6th, probably for a total of three days.

[–] 3 pts

That's because your microphone was on and it was furiously doing speech->text->google. They call this "democracy testing".

[–] 1 pt

@AOU

Sorry about the unneeded message. I didn't even know my post posted. I'm having that weird double post stuff happen again. When I submit links the site hangs and I get a timeout page. So I try again and get the same thing, but when the main page finally refreshes I have two posts. And niether will show up unless I try a second time.

Wifi and Cell network.

[–] 1 pt

I'll take a look at it. In the meantime, try to wait a minute and check the new queue to see if your post is showing up before trying to repost.

Are you using a bookmarklet?

[–] 2 pts

Are you using a bookmarklet?

No

try to wait a minute and check the new queue to see if your post is showing up before trying to repost.

Maybe I could have refreshed a few more times, but I didn't want to piss off Pauline. Sorry to be a pain.

[–] 0 pt

This is much worse than evil. Do we have something worse than Hitler "evil"? I'm pretty sure Satan is going, "Why aren't we doing that?!?!?!?!"

Damn I really loathe college educated people anymore.

scientists are so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should