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Yes, so knowing this and knowing what Pat presents, we can conclude that Pat's revelations come in retrospect. Not only is his diagram of how things have played out being presented well after their full bloom, it may even be further along than we imagined. In essence, this is to say we're already embedded in the inorganic morality, autocult and cryptoorganic reality he describes and that the vast majority of the internet is just a warring class of botnets constructed by themselves, which have for well over a decade now used systems like LifeLog to create maybe millions or hundreds of millions of fake people, living fake lives, having fake arguments, all of which have deprecated organic involvement. The world is one big fantasy and all we can really do is sit back and watch it kill itself slowly.

The good news is, AI can't exactly become more complex than it's creator, but the trick is it can amalgamate at various levels, incorporating learning from different vantage points, which, as Pat explains, obscures morality and makes human involvement "unnecessary" to various degrees.

Also, since you seem to be familiar with Pat and you know how it ends, let me ask you something: What if Q were an AI? What if Q came to understand the practice of martyrdom? What if Q became the Christ-AI Pat describes? I expect you'll get too emotionally involved upon these questions, but I'm offering you the benefit of doubt here.

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I expect you'll get too emotionally involved upon these questions, but I'm offering you the benefit of doubt here.

? Really ?

Anyway... I honestly do not like going down this hole. It shakes my core if I think too deep. Short story...

Outside of standing face to face: You can NOT prove to me you exist. I can NOT prove to you I exist.

If we meet its because I expected to observe that situation. Not you.

Now You repeat all that back to Me...

I don't need what ifs. Ive already ran away from realizing my own reality. When its time ill stop running.

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I don't mind being wrong man.

I don't need what ifs.

You don't need to think? How peculiar.

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You don't need to think?

Not what I meant. I was speaking purely in the context of your post and the what ifs you mentioned. My response should have indicated to you that I agreed with what you or Pat is saying. I've already considered those what ifs. And many many more beyond that. That's why I don't like that hole.