Yeah, I think a submarine would be better than an ark. However, I doubt I can build a submarine. An ark is within the realm of possibility. Consider the powers that be have no real plans to save maybe more than a small number of us. ----------- I have thought about the nuclear issue too. My guess is the solar storms prior to the main event will have already taken down the grid, because the poll flip is reducing the magnetic field, and reducing the normal solar storm protection. So I see low field strength and high solar activity, prior to the main excursion. Sort of a shit gets bad, then keeps getting worse from there scenario. It is possible they will have already taken all the nukes offline by that time. If they don't then life here is over for 100,000 years. They will lose the plants, then the oxygen, then the oceans. No way humanity survives as a mole people for 100,000 years. We will go extinct. If the nukes are offline, then we just have the catastrophe which wipes out most, but not all life on the surface. We've survived that 5 times already. I suspect the side of the planet away from the blast fairs much better than the direct side when the blast arrives. They still have all the volcanoes, earthquakes, floods and winds, but perhaps much less of the actual blast itself.