Food for thought on Electoral Fraud… | Poal: Say what you want.

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For the few of us who have any conversation at all with liberals or even blind conservatives, I just wanted to put this out there…

When I debate or argue points with either of these types of people, one thing I like to do is create “logic traps” for them…

Obviously, this doesn’t work with people who are completely devoid of the ability to think critically, but for those aren’t…

One thing I’ve realized is that the vast majority of these people, whether liberal or conservative, base their opinions on demonstrably false premises to begin with.

When it comes to electoral fraud, I have seen this argument take a couple of forms.

For the liberals, they typically say shit like “fraud didn’t happen and your side is just being sore losers.” And yet, this declaration is in direct opposition to another one of their strongly held beliefs: “the dem primaries were rigged/manipulated against Bernie.” I would argue that 90% of dems would correctly accept this as being demonstrably true. This is a logical trap in of itself. If they’ll admit that Bernie was robbed, then that also implies two important things:

1) their political leadership has no qualms, morally or otherwise, with rigging an electoral process.

2) if they’ll rig an electoral process in order to disenfranchise their own people, then they’ll certainly rig an electoral process in order to disenfranchise those who they consider their political opposition.

Another example of an argument based on a false premise is one that I’ve seen on the conservative side..namely, from a close family member who is reliably conservative, but who also trusts the system too much and rejects any “conspiracy theory”..

That argument went as follows: “I just don’t believe that voter fraud is happening on a wide/national scale enough to matter in an election”….this was in reference to the 2020 presidential election.

The false premise being that fraud has to happen on a wide scale to be effective.

My counter to this was that if our system was governed by the popular vote, then maybe they’d have a point..but it’s not. It’s an electoral system..so, all it takes is fraud in a few select counties within a few select states to flip an entire election. Fraud isn’t needed in large numbers across the whole nation to begin with, and no one ever said it was in the first place.

For the few of us who have any conversation at all with liberals or even blind conservatives, I just wanted to put this out there… When I debate or argue points with either of these types of people, one thing I like to do is create “logic traps” for them… Obviously, this doesn’t work with people who are completely devoid of the ability to think critically, but for those aren’t… One thing I’ve realized is that the vast majority of these people, whether liberal or conservative, base their opinions on demonstrably false premises to begin with. When it comes to electoral fraud, I have seen this argument take a couple of forms. For the liberals, they typically say shit like “fraud didn’t happen and your side is just being sore losers.” And yet, this declaration is in direct opposition to another one of their strongly held beliefs: “the dem primaries were rigged/manipulated against Bernie.” I would argue that 90% of dems would correctly accept this as being demonstrably true. This is a logical trap in of itself. If they’ll admit that Bernie was robbed, then that also implies two important things: 1) their political leadership has no qualms, morally or otherwise, with rigging an electoral process. 2) if they’ll rig an electoral process in order to disenfranchise their own people, then they’ll certainly rig an electoral process in order to disenfranchise those who they consider their political opposition. Another example of an argument based on a false premise is one that I’ve seen on the conservative side..namely, from a close family member who is reliably conservative, but who also trusts the system too much and rejects any “conspiracy theory”.. That argument went as follows: “I just don’t believe that voter fraud is happening on a wide/national scale enough to matter in an election”….this was in reference to the 2020 presidential election. The false premise being that fraud has to happen on a wide scale to be effective. My counter to this was that if our system was governed by the popular vote, then maybe they’d have a point..but it’s not. It’s an electoral system..so, all it takes is fraud in a few select counties within a few select states to flip an entire election. Fraud isn’t needed in large numbers across the whole nation to begin with, and no one ever said it was in the first place.

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