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Amen. I make more money in the trades than most college graduates. For you kids on poal who are trying to figure what you want to do when you grow up, I would give the trades some consideration…

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yep when I got out of the military I used VA.bene’s to get a degree (thankfully it was a STEM related course of study) however when I talk to young guys now doing the same thing I suggest the trades as well. In fact I kinda regret not going that route but at least I studied something halfway marketable.

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Close, kids of Poal the trades are what you need to do to pay for higher education. Go work as a welder, mechanic, plumber, electrician, plumber etc. as you work on an engineering degree or better. Obtain a degree and a skill, not kike ran debt.

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Close, kids of Poal the trades are what you need to do to pay for higher education.

Or make it your career and use it as a path to entrepreneurship. I’m a licensed contractor and I’m my own boss, and one benefit is that I don’t have employers threatening to fire me if I don’t get vaccinated. My business is also considered an “essential service”, so I’ve been able to work when others are forced to stay home.

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Yup, I'm back to contracting. Rose to foreman and then superintendant for a HUGE company. Got tired of my job shack, ipad, BIM models, meetings, RFI's, arguing with other trades, babysitting kids, bla bla bla. I bid my shit now, refuse to wear a mask for any customer, work alone and use tools again!

It's refreshing.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

Academic philosophy is just more marxism. Real philosophy comes from living and experiencing and examining that lived experience critically, so that you have the most accurate and rigorous understanding of your own little bubble. You don't need to do that to work a trade, but there wouldn't be trade if there weren't analytical people who engineered the shit the tradesmen work on.

I sure as hell didn't build the cars I work on, even the ones I restore. That shit took a lot of philosophical motherfuckers ignoring their families because shit needed to get built. That's true philosophy.

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You could say...empirical philosophy. Where principles are tested against objective reality, rather than feelings.

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If what you feel is real then what's the problem? At a primordial level, inputs from the outside are mere sensations, we must by necessity operate on an emotional level. Those emotions are what allow us to focus on things, make them stand out in relation to the other things. Objective limitations to testing reality are practical considerations that can be strategically controlled. That is to say, cost and resources are the only hinderance to these tests and validations which would amount to objective proof.

You're guessing at the end of the day, no matter how informed you think your concept is. The feelings you claim to be immune from is the only reality distorting delusion going on here. I understand I am guessing as well, and my guesses literally come out of thin air, I am...experienced, my experience has never failed me. I trust my lying eyes.

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One's senses may be mistaken on occasion, but they're the least wrong method available.

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Sure but this is my eighth winter out in the cold and I can assure you it sucks donkey dick. Wouldn't mind being in an office this morning. Gets harder every year. Especially now being so short handed.

Also, just had my second operation on my right hand about three months ago. Elbows are going. Shoulders right behind them. I'm not even 40. So there are definite drawbacks. You should see the sixty year old in the shop, he can barely duxking walk.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

This is the lie tradesman tell themselves to feel better about not going to college.

Initially you may make more money but in the long term you will more than likely become stagnant while people who went to college can continue to advance up the corporate ladder.

And before I get a bunch of shitty replies I'm a tradesman. I make damn good money but I'm straight hourly but I break my back every fucking day for this shit. You can't condense the pros and cons of college into a 6 sentence meme.

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I make $100,000+ driving a truck and I'm home almost every night and off on weekends.

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It's important to factor in opportunity cost and compare the trades to all degrees.

Most degrees are worthless and represent a massive opportunity cost (+4 years of foregone wages + debt multiplied by an average 8% ROI if someone just stuck that cash in a S&P 500 Index).

You're spot on that in the long term, high paying degrees in STEM out-perform the trades both financially and physically. However the majority of degrees are a negative ROI however you slice it.

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See what I mean about not being able to condense it into a meme haha. My attitude is 100% fuck college. But the trades aren't for everyone either.

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I made 170k one year as a foreman electrician, my back ain't sore but I got a gut now, grey hairs and a divorce. Yay me.

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Sounds like you just failed to move up in the trades and open your own business...

It's easier than most think.

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I've progressed up my trade as far as I can and I'm in one of, if not the highest paying ones out there. I can ask for more money but still that leaves me fairly stagnant. The next option I have would be to open up a business which is quite difficult for this trade especially if I want to be apart of the labor union. If I want to make more money I have to work more hours plain and simple.

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It's not that hard to open your own business as a tradesmen. I'm pretty handy, but there are some things I dont want to do because I'm busy. When I contract out work its gotten to the point where if a contractor actually shows up the work's theirs no matter the price.

Can you imagine any other field with that low a bar to starting a succesful business? Just showing up and bam, you're in the top 20% of companies?

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People glorifying a given field at the expense of another, usually are big ass morons

It's like when you're dealing with an artist denigrating the work of the programmer while not even being able to code anything, or a programmer denigrating the artist's work while not even being able to draw shit

In both cases you're dealing with a literal clueless moron

It's like blue collars shitting on white collars, or the other way around, same deal

It's all fun and games until you're put to task, and then you realize "oh, it's more complicated than I thought..." Yeah no shit...

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The modern day Dan O'Brien and Dave Johnson. First it was Reebok commercials, then it was Ryder trucks. Love this meme for days.

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Joe did a 4 year apprenticeship to help build the grid to get Jim power... John took one semester worth of training to disconnect it and makes 40k a year.

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yeah but old mate on the right will waste all his money on buying a bigger ute whenever he can afford it and servo food

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One of my degrees is Philosophy. **I got it because I found it interesting. Not because it would pay the bills. **No one who gets a philosophy degree believes it will pay the bills. If they say they deserve a job with their degree, they don't believe that. These type of degree holders openly joke about how their degree is worthless for earning potential. Even if you are a professor, you'll make $60K-$90K a year at most colleges and that's after years of serving as an adjunct or TA.

While I was studying philosophy, I had a full time "big boy" job that actually paid the bills. I was single, had the time, and liked the material.

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You can learn philosophy for free at the library or on the internet. Why pay Marxist colleges for it?

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I agree. But it looks good on a resume when you have 5 degrees when you want to make money especially for higher-skilled jobs - it's a differentiator on the applications. After the first degree, it usually only takes 1 year for the next 4 year degree.

I'll go back and get two masters and 1 Ph.D. when I retire. The goal is to retire before 40. I'm on track.

Yes, I am bragging about how amazing I am. Because I put in the work to get here, no one gave it to me. I was born into white disprivilege.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

College is a welfare scam. Jews get niggers student loans in exchange for a worthless piece of paper. A class action suit would be interesting against colleges that can't produce graduates who can earn a living. I think if you pick electrician they kick you out if you aren't successful, not load you up with a ton of debt.