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Six pack and lawn chair at the stand by.

Six pack and lawn chair at the stand by.

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[–] 8 pts

It means they would be forced to cut back on spending. That's all it means.

[–] 5 pts

They NEVER cut, they just DELAY PAYMENTS!!!! Not kidding... the bills pile up, and they only shut down National Parks and low dollar stuff to annoy Whitey.

They even pay arrears to any furloughed fed workers!!!!!!

NOT ONE DOLLAR saved by "shutting down" for a month.

[–] 2 pts

But they steal a bit of everything spent, so if they can't spend they can't steal and that's like denying a junkie his crack cocaine.

[–] 2 pts (edited )

They HAVE to raise the debt ceiling. The debt accrues interest. They literally have to take on more debt in order to pay the interest on the existing debt. They could cut spending, but they would still have to tax just to pay the central bank's interest earnings.

The game is rigged to force them to borrow more, which creates inflation, devaluing everyones' money. It's a wealth redistribution scam where they steal money from the people with US Dollars, the fed banks take their 6% cut, the other banks take their grift, and the politicians give whatever is left to their cronies.

The way to end the scam is to abolish the Federal Reserve Act, have the Treasury directly print currency, and put strict controls around it so that politicians can't just print up money to give away to the people bribing them.

[–] 2 pts

No they don't. They could stop spending ever larger amounts, massively cut stupdity of spending, and pay down the debt. They CHOOSE not to. But they absolutely do not HAVE to increase the ceiling.

[–] 2 pts

fed is private company. fed prints money. fed loans money to government at interest. there is literally no way to "pay down" debt when every dollar you ever got was loaned to you with an interest rate.

this is fucking 2008 r/conspiracy tier shit. how do u not know this?

[–] 4 pts (edited )

Bob murphey was on timcast a few nights ago made the point that the (((republicans))) ran (at least they did in the past) on a platform of having a balanced budget; not raising the debt ceiling is the definition of having a balanced budget, and yet they keep raising it. All they have to do is vote no; they don't have to propose anything, write anything, promote anything, nothing; they just have to freeze the ceiling and have the government adjust accordingly.

[–] 4 pts

The day Obama took office, they opened up an office inside the White House with people on the phone 24/7 borrowing money from China in order to cause this very situation.

Tell them to go fuck themselves.

[–] 1 pt

You don't know how it works.

China doesn't own the lions share of the debt, the Federal Reserve does. The debt in question is US treasuries. The Fed monetizes the debt by purchasing UST's from commercial banks through their FOMO MBS purchases.

Our debt and currency issues have absolutely fuck all to do with China. Please stop spreading this "I don't know but it feels right" nonsense.

[–] 4 pts

Orange county a few decades ago was bankrupt, with doom and gloom . Voters were pre Dominion and still very red, and told the county to fuck off and No more money. 3 months after the election, they had enough money to find all of their pet projects without raising any taxes or cutting any services.

[–] 2 pts

We definitely should vote on it. We demand a chance to vote for stuff.

[–] [deleted] 2 pts

Life will be made much harder for us ordinary citizens, regardless if that hardship is needed.

You either let government do what it wants or you suffer.

[–] 2 pts

With out the war in the Middle East shouldn’t it be easy to balance the budget. Answer is no there will be other ways to lander money.

[–] 2 pts

The Democrats have the votes to raise it alone. This is not even an issue besides political theater.

[–] 1 pt

ACCELERATE

[–] 1 pt

"Your terms are acceptable."

[–] 0 pt

We are at the stage where the collapse of the United States and the whole rest of the first world is an irresistibly enticing prospect.

We are literally at the point where we want our countries to die so that we could replace them with something better.