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This is a triggering subject so I have to qualify the question below everytime. Many who are sure we haven't get triggered if you have a different opinion. Interestingly, many who are sure we have get triggered if you have a different opinion. So, let's please not get triggered here and stick to logical arguments. Genius's on both sides of this argument have great points so let's try flushing them out a little. So, what I am about to tread down are serious questions which are intended as pure intellectual pursuit only. You don't have to participate if you don't want to.

Before replying, please refer to sub rule #2.

  1. Did the moon landing happen? Please elaborate with the following points.

  2. In what way(s) have you validated your understanding? I'm not talking about seeing video or reading something someone reported, but actually validated, such as experimented, seen with a telescope, etc.

  3. Is your understanding absolute? As in, for sure the moon landing happened. Or, for sure it didn't. What makes it absolute if this is the case? If it's not absolute, how do you break down your probabilities between the two?

  4. Over and above the first two points, is there anything that you believe is sketchy about NASA and space footage? For example, have you seen this (youtube.com) and if not what is your opinion after watching it?

This is a triggering subject so I have to qualify the question below everytime. Many who are sure we haven't get triggered if you have a different opinion. Interestingly, many who are sure we have get triggered if you have a different opinion. So, let's please not get triggered here and stick to logical arguments. Genius's on both sides of this argument have great points so let's try flushing them out a little. So, what I am about to tread down are serious questions which are intended as pure intellectual pursuit only. You don't have to participate if you don't want to. Before replying, please refer to sub rule #2. 1. Did the moon landing happen? Please elaborate with the following points. 2. In what way(s) have you validated your understanding? I'm not talking about seeing video or reading something someone reported, but actually validated, such as experimented, seen with a telescope, etc. 3. Is your understanding absolute? As in, for sure the moon landing happened. Or, for sure it didn't. What makes it absolute if this is the case? If it's not absolute, how do you break down your probabilities between the two? 4. Over and above the first two points, is there anything that you believe is sketchy about NASA and space footage? For example, have you seen [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuYydr7615Y) and if not what is your opinion after watching it?

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[–] 4 pts

The Moon landings are 100% bullshit.

Everything nasa, or any other space agency does, is fake.

I don't know what their real purpose is, but it has nothing to do with "space".

[–] 1 pt

It's to get people to lie to themselves. That is the whole jew power over white people.

I think there is something to this. Did you hear the idea that NASA means "to lie" in hebrew? I can't remember where I saw that, but haven't confirmed myself.

[–] 2 pts

There's also the serpent's tongue in the logo of every single space agency.

The Moon landings are 100% bullshit.

I have seen some critique arguments which are pretty good, but it's not fully smoking gun either way.

Do you think there is something going on in space, but they are hiding it? Or anything like that? I saw that video (in point 4) which is what made me wonder what the hell is going on. I have also watched some critique about the space station which makes you go "hmmmmm".

Honestly though, are you sure they didn't just embellish on the footage? Serious question.

I don't know what their real purpose is, but it has nothing to do with "space".

This seems likely. I don't know what is going on.

[–] 2 pts

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oPmzcRgFrZo/

I went to jewtube looking for a specific video, and it looks as though the entire subject has been shoah'd.

Nothing to see here, move along goy.

Thanks, watched the video. I mean, it's a video so I'm shaky on that as any evidence. My ability to be sure is shaken.

I also do find it interesting how they hide all of the stuff to disrupt any logical debate about it. For sure there is something fucked up going on and I don't trust the NASA stuff at all. But, I have to be honest and say I can't trust other videos either.

I reject the video footage for sure, and question everything. I'm honestly looking for validation or hints to anyone out there that claims to have it.

[–] 3 pts

I've studied the topic for many years, before I reached the conclusion that nasa is full of shit. Takes a while to destroy your own brainwashing, as I was a space fanboy. I wanted it be real. Which is exactly why it took years to get over. The strongest magic that exists on this Earth, are the lies someone tells themselves. Things that tipped me over from merely being sceptic, to fully convinced were bubbles during "space" walks, or reflections of a cameraman on the window of a space craft. Also logical things like how little computing power the computers had, they had at the time. The nasa cgi artist admitting all space pictures are cgi, because "they have to be". Also the inconsistancy of the blue marble pictures/artwork. Different colors in every variant. There is a lot more. However, I am watching a free movie and eating salmon. Nasa is a satanic scam. The money people give them has gone to better fake pussies for tranny pornstars. Which people think are real women. lol

The smoking gun for me was the perfectly framed, focused and exposed photos taken with film cameras strapped to their chests and wearing pressure gloves. Then there were other inconsistencies and ridiculous bullshit that came to light as I looked into it more.

I have no doubt probes have landed on the moon, but no humans have.

I have no doubt probes have landed on the moon, but no humans have.

Very important consideration. I've got a friend who is full on flat earth and he may entertain this idea. He's got some good logic about what's happening but is full on "space isn't real" which I think is also an unlikely conclusion.

Curious about the probes on the moon. Also, do you think humans have been to space at all? I see a lot of questionable "space station" footage which makes me question shit highly.

I think humans go into orbit regularly, but the space station stuff is really fishy. I think some of it is faked (bubbles, the "hair" bullshit, etc.), but I don't know why they would unless the real one is "busy" with something. Russians still carry a loaded revolver up, I believe it's for a reason and not intended for humans because nothing prevents the problem human from getting it first.

[–] [deleted] 2 pts

I think they did as I saw the rocket take off. The control room was jam packed with people that had to do tons of shit manually, due to lame ass computers, that SpaceX could do on a smartphone today. That alone is circumstantial, but convincing. Also, a streetshitter mission sent back photos of the tracks of the moon lander that are still there. Don't except to see the planted flag to look like it did. With no UV filter the damn thing will be pure white by now. If done exactly the same way today, the same mission would cost almost 300 billion dollars.

I offer no proof as I've never been to the moon, that I can remember, just my acceptance of the evidence I've seen. There was absolutely no reason to fake the landing. None.

Also, did you by any chance watch that video in point 4 in the thread writeup above? I know it's conjecture, but curious of your thoughts.

a streetshitter mission sent back photos of the tracks of the moon lander that are still there.

Where is this. I'm very interested, as it would for sure be compelling evidence.

I offer no proof as I've never been to the moon, that I can remember, just my acceptance of the evidence I've seen.

It's hard to have proof. I appreciate what you said above regarding the "streetshitter" photos.

There was absolutely no reason to fake the landing. None.

Well ... have you read the protocols of zion? There is plenty reason to disorient science. From Protocol 9, paragraph 10:

WE HAVE FOOLED, BEMUSED AND CORRUPTED THE YOUTH OF THE "GOYIM" BY REARING THEM IN PRINCIPLES AND THEORIES WHICH ARE KNOWN TO US TO BE FALSE ALTHOUGH IT IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INCULCATED.

[–] [deleted] 1 pt (edited )

This is not definitive due to low resolution (phys.org). But, I accept it as I never doubted that the US spending billions to go the moon, with many lives lost along with way, wasn't successful.

I think, in this case, ZIonism is attempting to besmirch actual events in order to lessen the tremendous success of the US space program

[–] 2 pts

If we didn't land on the moon, wouldn't Russia have blown the whistle on it? They had the capability to receive all of our communications and telemetry from the landing missions. You know they were watching the flights every bit as closely as we were.
If we hadn't landed they would have shouted it all over the world.

[–] 3 pts

No. The cold war was theatre.

What's happening right now is also theatre.

You're just meant to stay distracted until there is an overwhelming shit skin presence in our countries, and then they attack.

The jew has never been so close to it's goals.

No. The cold war was theatre.

I don't know for certain, but this is aligning best for me. Which leads me to other things like nukes (which I won't get into here, but may do a thread on tomorrow because that one is also triggering as hell also).

You're just meant to stay distracted until there is an overwhelming shit skin presence in our countries, and then they attack.

I can see that you see it too. Indeed among these "refugees" are agents, I have spotted them myself and done much digging on it. They are in many cities in Canada and something is for sure brewing.

The jew has never been so close to it's goals.

The protocols are for sure real. I have this impending feeling it wasn't called Agenda 2030 for nothing. I can't seem to wake many people up to this fact, and many that are awakened take a passive "just live your life" stance which doesn't help either.

It's threads like this that may help me with how to shake a few more out of the stupor. I don't want to go off topic in this thread, but PM me.

Thank you for replying.

If we didn't land on the moon, wouldn't Russia have blown the whistle on it?

I don't know. It seems compelling for sure that it's a big conspiracy to keep a lid on. I've been looking at other pieces of history and wonder if it's possible USSR was controlled by the same people as US?

I'm hoping to get smoking gun evidence either way if possible. You remind me that I haven't really looked at Soviet space and moon landing footage.

Honest question here, apparently there is a sensor or reflective dish left on the moon. Do you know if anyone has been able to document it?

I seriously gotta get a telescope or something.

[–] 1 pt

I have heard this as well. Do you know anything about them? I did some web searching but didn't come up with anything other than basic information, like (sorry about the wikipedia):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retroreflectors_on_the_Moon

I wonder if it would be possible to do this test to see if it's repeatable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

Do you know of any independent places that documented such experiments or visually spotted these reflectors with the telescope? I am very much interested in this.

[–] 1 pt

No. It is complete bullshit. Here is a good clip but you should watch the whole documentary...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrO7eHKNTUU

This is also a very good article that will get you thinking...

http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/

Thanks for this video. I added it to my collection. What documentary is it from?

[–] 1 pt

Which moon landing? You'll have to be more specific.

Everyone always asks if the moon landing happened.

Not nearly enough people ask if the moon landing even mattered.

That some government may or may not have been able to send some jackoffs to some airless ball of dust that may or may not exist in order to do nothing of significance has no bearing on anyone's life whatsoever, and never did.

That said, do I believe that it was possible for them do have done so? Yeah, I suppose so - people are known for their great capacity for doing ill-advised shit with little regard for their own safety, after all, and I don't know how else to describe the process of sitting atop a large bomb and hoping that it explodes slowly enough so as to not kill you instantly.

Determining if they actually did, however, raises one key question. To elaborate: if we look at history, humans typically react to the opening of a new frontier by flocking their en masse to build their stupid, ugly houses all over the unspoiled landscape, thus spoiling it. I see no condominiums on the moon. Nobody has tried to sell me a timeshare there. Thus: If we went, why did we stop?

Personally, I'm still awaiting some good, solid proof that the moon is even a real place that one can really go to, and not a very convincing graphic cunningly painted onto the sky-dome. So I'm going to say "eh" in response to the first question.

Now, to rush through the rest of the questions, sloppily: 2 - By computing the truth using my brain, like all the great monkeys before me; 3 - I don't do non-absolute things anymore, not since the accident; and 4 - I don't buy that a glorified RC-car enthusiasts' club costs as much to run as they keep claiming it does.

[–] 1 pt
  1. I don't think so. They deleted all the "evidence", and the stuff that is still circulating around is obviously fake. The moon rocks they brought back were verified fake. NASA has been caught lying about so many other things. Astronauts that supposedly blew up during launch were found still alive years later. Bubbles floating around in recordings of "space walks", videos of people in the ISS that are laughably fake (women with hair glued in place, invisible wires to give the impression of zero gravity, videos of astronauts dropping tools when it's supposed to be zero G). Satellites don't need to exist because they can just use balloons. The Hubble telescope is really just a giant telescope bolted to an airplane. Every picture of earth we have is really a painting. The list goes on.

  2. What could I possibly do? Go to the moon myself? NASA is the only game in town. Yes, other countries have space programs. No, I don't believe them either. Every space program is controlled by the same people. See the chevron symbol and its variations on every single space agency logo. "But that would require an insane amount of people to be in on the lie!" Yes and?

  3. No I can't prove it didn't happen. This isn't a topic I get particularly heated over so I haven't done much homework on it. It's a little boomery. There are more important things to argue about. Ultimately the results of a debate about the moon landing have zero effect on my every day life. It's interesting to talk about and that's about it.

  4. I haven't seen that particular video but I've seen others to the point where I say "yeah they're probably full of shit" and move on with my life. The fact that they get 60 million dollars a day in the US alone provides an incentive for them to lie.

Thank you for the well written response.

What could I possibly do? Go to the moon myself? NASA is the only game in town.

This one is indeed a tough one, why I asked the question. The best I can come up with is try to locate parts apparently left there with a telescope or something. Definitely looking for creative ideas.

But that would require an insane amount of people to be in on the lie!

I don't even know if many would really have to be in on it. Maybe a few hundred world wide?

I haven't seen that particular video

Judging by your answer in #1, I think you have. It is an analysis on the 7 astronauts that 6 showed up alive later on. It's what first made me realize about NASA.

[–] 1 pt

We can't know more about the moon, as per our government's guidelines on disclosure of certain information that could compromise trust in our governments.

The moon isn't what most think it is.
There are significant man made structures there (significant as in big/important and significant as in plentiful).


Watch some "supersoldier" videos. Find ones that "feel" right and branch out from there.
Just be warned those circles are ripe with disinfo. However, you'll know when you're venturing in to the right areas because some of them talk about specific things that are clearly in line with people you're familiar with and things they talk about.

Just be warned those circles are ripe with disinfo.

I'm finding all circles to be. Massive information is both a blessing and a curse at the same time.

Do you have a good starting place for these supersoldier videos?

There are significant man made structures there (significant as in big/important and significant as in plentiful).

I seriously have not heard this. Do you have any examples or videos? I'm genuinely curious.

I suppose I should also answer the questions.

  1. I totally don't know at all. I have seen a great deal of footage that proves there are some false video tricks by NASA.

  2. I have not validated if the moon landing happened in any way. Apparently (according to NASA) there are pieces left over from the landing that might be visible with a telescope or using validated laser equipment. I'm looking for ideas.

  3. Not absolute. I lean fairly strong that the official narrative is a lie, but I don't honestly know what was achieved. My leanings are to the idea that there is something going on there, but was not manned.

  4. This is the footage that first clued me into there being something wrong. I never looked before and was drinking the cool aid until this summer on even WW2 history. After seeing this and other footage, I was very disoriented and had to become comfortable again with constructing theories. I have a more calm footing now, but conclude we know far less than we think.

[–] [deleted] -1 pt
  1. Yes.

  2. According to your guidelines, none.

  3. No.

  4. No.

Now prove it didn't happen, faggot.

According to your guidelines, none. No. and No.

I appreciate your honesty. What I gander is that you ride on "yes it happened" and "no I'm not sure of the evidence and haven't checked." I think I'm also there. Check out the video in point #4, I've found a bunch of others that raise some eyebrows.

Now prove it didn't happen

I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything. This is intended to be for serious participants. Honestly, what you'll find is that honing down questions and answering small snibbets, we can make sense of what is actually going on. I am certain there is some misinformation, but maybe we can logically suss out what fuckery is about. I honestly myself don't know either way, but have rejected a few pieces of footage and know there are some lies about.

If I can shut down flat earthers better once and for all, then that could be an a bonus of this thread.

If I can red-pill people that it didn't happen better, then that would a bonus of this thread.

I am not armed either way but would like to settle the debate here, or understand one way of the other better.

faggot

Please refer to sub rule #2: no faggotry. :)

[–] [deleted] -1 pt

I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything.

then

If I can red-pill people that it didn't happen better, then that would a bonus of this thread.

Pretty disingenuous, but considering the content of this post.... what did I expect?

Disingenuous? Please note that I made no claims either way and made BOTH statements:

If I can shut down flat earthers better once and for all, then that could be an a bonus of this thread.

This statement would be in the event flat earthers are wrong (i.e. the moon landing is real)

If I can red-pill people that it didn't happen better, then that would a bonus of this thread.

This statement would be in the event the moon landing didn't happen.

Not trying to trick anyone here at all. I'm trying to have a non-triggered debate and looking to have better evidence either way.