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I somewhat agree.

Some judges - and bless them for this - consult with the victim's families or the victims themselves to determine sentencing and the like. Some families want the death penalty. Some want long prison sentences. Some want rehabilitation and for that person to become a law-abiding tax payer. To me, this is justice. This is how you get restitution. This is how you work towards forgiveness.

Unsure why this isn't more common. The judges operate within the confines of the law so we won't get vigilante justice. Criminals should be required to face their victims (if the victims choose to do so) and ask for mercy. They should not be handed mercy.

What this guy is saying is different, though. These are "would be" victims but they cease to be victims if they are armed and prepared to fight off their attackers.

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This is how you get restitution. This is how you work towards forgiveness.

Many people are way too eager to forgive. Some will even forgive the guy who raped and murdered their daughter. After all he had an "sexual emergency".

And others will never forgive a petty insult.

I don't think the feeling of the victim matters much. It's too arbitrary.

Safety of society has to be taken into account. Chance of reoffending, for example.

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“Sexual emergency “

Muh dik

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'Bitch shouldna exposed her ankle to muh dik'

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Many people are way too eager to forgive.

That's the victims' prerogative, though. The only people eligible to forgive ad the victims and the victims' close ones.

Safety of society has to be taken into account. Chance of reoffending, for example.

Hence my point about judges needing to operate within the confines of the law. But incarceration, as the US does it, is the worst possible method we use, currently. That's why the US has such high recidivism rates.

I believe that culture determines how eager people are to forgive.

For example, if someone grew up reading or being told the fable of "The Scorpion and the frog" (en.wikipedia.org), they might come to believe that at least some people cannot change. And will hurt you, even if it is not in their own self interest to do so. Because they are sadistic.

Whereas someone who grew up watching Zootopia or super action movies, might come to believe that people always deserve a second chance. That people who act evil, do so because they had a bad childhood, and that anyone who is an asshole must had been victimized earlier in life. In that worldview, perpetrators are victims (too).

Some people might follow a spiritual guru, who tells them that they MUST forgive, else their chakras will be filled with bad energy and make them sick. Or because jesus will not forgive them their sins if they do not forgive others their sins. Making it so that the victim promises forgiveness only because they fear supernatural repercussions.

Or right now we have the ukraine conflinct. I can easily imagine that the news coverage will lead people to believe that appeasing others (like putin) was a mistake that could lead to world war 3. Appeasement and forgiveness will therefore be seen as grave mistakes by people who watch news.

As such, I worry that forgiveness is detached from the crime and how it influences the victim, but is instead the result of child fables, movies, public school education, church and recent news coverage.

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Naahhh ... if a nigger decides he wants to be uppity, shoot him dead. Enough of this live and let live attitude, look where its gotten us

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Naahhh ... if a nigger decides he wants to be uppity, shoot him dead.

Same goes for you, then. If a person thinks you're getting uppity, BAM, you're dead.

Not a great reality, is it?

Enough of this live and let live attitude, look where its gotten us

I didn't say that. Did you respond to the right person?

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Let's "forgive" the jews for murdering Christ. Look how that has turned out. @dadudemon1 Get down off your pulpit. Christcuchs are part of the cause of the demise of society and the acceptance of jews running everything..."chosen people" my White ass.