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Agreed. I think of it more of as HOW they market their shit.

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All so called "extremes", "radicals", are necessarily anarchist leaning

What's often labelled "far right" these days is just an abuse of language. The real far right, wants to overthrow democracy / the republic, to restore the monarchy or put a totalitarian regime in place, or any form of non democratic regime. That's not just some people against mass immigration trying to change things by way of democratic consensus. Those aren't far right. The media demonize them and call them far right, but then how do you call the actual far right? "Ultranationalists"; Marine lepen was labelled "far right"/"extreme droite" for years, but then some group of the actual "extreme droite" resurfaced, caught plotting terror attacks and shit, and then journalists went on labelling them "ultra droite"/"ultra right" or "extreme far right" if you prefer... The joke.

The far left wants the exact same thing; it wants to overthrow the democratic regime and replace it with communism for instance, the far right wants monarchy or the military to rule over the nation, in a non democratic way of course

And I'm not saying I totally subscribe to democracy, I'm just saying that, while there's a profound ideological divide between far left and far right, they ultimately end up rooting for pretty much the exact same objective; overthrow of the current order by any means necessary, hence, anarchy. That's what I was referring to with "a means to an end"

Take the so called "accelerationists" what do they want? They want shit to collapse, the sooner the better because it's the lesser of two evil and collapse is unavoidable... And they want shit to collapse in order to.... "Restore the (real or supposed) former glory" essentially...

Both (farleft/right) have nothing in common ideologically speaking, except for that particular part of their plans, where at some point in time destabilizing the established order/regime is not only seen as desirable, but necessary, vital. Hence... The promotion/endorsement of anarchy, because there's no way around it, it's a necessary stage, hence the "anarchy galaxy" from anarcho capitalists to anarcho communists... All radicals, mostly disagreeing on everything, except on the necessity to overthrow the current regime/social order to make rooms for their vision of things, on that they agree

And I take far left/far right as an example, but again that's true of all radicals, you can add muhamad jihad, same deal. Jihadists have everything to gain by promoting anarchy and destabilizing the host society in which they emigrated. Needless to mention jews, lots of jews among anarchists... Same deal... Anarchy as a means to an end...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/radical

Definition of radical (Entry 1 of 2) 1: of, relating to, or proceeding from a root: such as a(1): of or growing from the root of a plant radical tubers (2): growing from the base of a stem, from a rootlike stem, or from a stem that does not rise above the ground radical leaves b: of, relating to, or constituting a linguistic root c: of or relating to a mathematical root d: designed to remove the root of a disease or all diseased and potentially diseased tissue radical surgery radical mastectomy 2: of or relating to the origin : FUNDAMENTAL 3a: very different from the usual or traditional : EXTREME b: favoring extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions c: associated with political views, practices, and policies of extreme change d: advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs the radical right 4slang : EXCELLENT, COOL

And I believe that, if the existing order push their shit too far, they run the risk of ending up with a non negligeable chunk of their own population reaching the exact same conclusion and those "radicals" I mentioned above

Just keep messing with people's kids and families and see what happens

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Take the so called "accelerationists" what do they want? They want shit to collapse, the sooner the better because it's the lesser of two evil and collapse is unavoidable... And they want shit to collapse in order to.... "Restore the (real or supposed) former glory" essentially...

You got only half right. accelerationism is a reactionary movement that formed in response to the anarcho-communists own tactics.

Plenty of us want to see a return to law and order, like real, actual, balanced and neutral enforcement, where everyones judged by the same standard. But we see whats been done, both by the footsoldiers, and the people ultimately who did these things, and we fall into two camps on it

  1. this shit absolutely cannot go unpunished, and the punishment should be lawful execution of the most brutal variety, both for justice served to victims unrighteously slaughtered (people like jessica doty whitaker and her unborn baby), and as a warning that this nonsense will never ever be allowed or tolerated again without some terrorblack pall of punishments bordering on warcrime befalling anyone stupi enough to try such things.

  2. that collapse is absolutely beyond the shadow of all doubt, necessary. because if instead reforms happen, the same people responsible not only get away with what they've done, there is every certainty what was done to all of us, will be done again sooner or later. and for the sake of those who already died, who already lost loved ones to the communists and their wretched idealogies, for the sake of those beaten, mutiliated, tortured, and made to never feel safe again in their own nation--for the sake of all of them, those who enabled, supported, encouraged, organized, or were ultimately responsible for these degrading and generational-destroying policies and events, must not be allowed to escape.

and they will never be held to account, escounced safely, surrounded by guards, in what amounts to an imperial palace.

...UNLESS that is the u.s. devolves into utter chaos and breakdown, where there is no 'law' or enforcement, for or against anyone.

For the sake of justice, the peace, order, our families, our nation, and our sacred liberties, our slogan must ever be "rome must burn."

and never should we falter from the course in hoping for that day.

accelerationism is reactionary. We wouldn't exist if not for what was done to the middle and moderates in america to utterly and completely demonize us and censor us, and drive us out of any semblance of normality or political participation.

We're not going away and walk-backs of the existing policies won't work this time.

I'll play a sad song on the worlds smallest violin, like congress did to all of america, while america burns, and I won't have to lift a finger to see it happen. and I certainly won't lift a finger to save it.

I look forward to a new america though, born from the ashes of what the left and many other accelerationists will do to america.

and when the left fails, like it always fails, we will throw them off, and build that new america on their graves.

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Accelerationists are de facto anarchists, period. Whether they realize it or not is irrelevant, whether it's in reaction to something or not is irrelevant

They need anarchy and they want anarchy. And yes they are willing to go as far as voting for biden to achieve just that, because from their pov that's what you stated above; collapse is inevitable, the sooner the better, there's no other alternative, etc

"Accelerationists" they want to accelerate what? Collapse, societal/civilizational collapse, the fall, nothing less. Just like anarchists... Because then after that... The project can finally start!

If it's not what a self declared accelerationist wants then either he isn't accelerationist or he embarked on the wrong flight with the wrong people

Plenty of us want to see a return to law and order, like real, actual, balanced and neutral enforcement, where everyones judged by the same standard. But we see whats been done, both by the footsoldiers, and the people ultimately who did these things, and we fall into two camps on it

Anarcho communists they also want a return to "order" ultimately... A communist order. Post system collapse evidently... "You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs"...

I look forward to a new america though, born from the ashes of what the left and many other accelerationists will do to america. and when the left fails, like it always fails, we will throw them off, and build that new america on their graves.

"when shit will finally collapse... Then we will...." <- That's exactly what I'm talking about

From anarcho communists to anarcho capitalists... To so called accelerationists. It's the exact same line of reasoning

Accelerationists are eventually more flexible ideologically speaking, eventually. They are willing to ally with pretty much anybody, BLM included, as long as it goes/accelerates things in the right direction... Toward collapse, anarchy, because then again "when shit will finally collapse... Then we will...."

The actual far right, is more putch oriented, traditionally speaking. But given the state of affairs and their limited options... They'll turn accel/anarcho, for lack of better alternative... If it's not already the case... "when shit will finally collapse... Then we will...." <- this collective will/ambition/project, revolves around the very state of anarchy; without anarchy/collapse, there's no "then we will", there's no raison d'être

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-anarchism#Ideology

The conservative revolutionary concept of the anarch as articulated by German philosopher Ernst Jünger is central to national-anarchism.[4] National-anarchists stress that the "artificial nationalism" of the nation state which they claim to oppose must be distinguished from the primordial "natural nationalism" of the people (volk) which they believe in its more consistent expressions is a legitimate rejection of both foreign domination (imperialism) and internal domination (statism). National-anarchists see "American global capitalism", consumerism, globalization, immigration, liberalism, materialism, modernity, multiculturalism, multiracialism and neoliberalism as the primary causes of the social decline of nations and cultural identity.[4] They propose a strategic and ideological alliance of ethnic and racial nationalists and separatists around the world (especially in the Global South), neo-Eurasianists in Russia, Islamists in Muslim-majority countries and anti-Zionists everywhere to resist the New World Order—globalization viewed as an instrument of American imperialism and the antisemitic canard of Jewish-dominated international banking—that is inevitably leading to global economic collapse and ecological collapse.[4][5]

National-anarchism expresses a desire to reorganize human relationships with an emphasis on replacing the hierarchical structures of the state and capitalism with local community decision-making. However, national-anarchists stress the restoration of the "natural order" and aim towards a decentralized social order where each new tribe builds and maintains a permanent autonomous zone for a self-sufficient commune which is politically meritocratic, economically pre-capitalist, ecologically sustainable and socially and culturally traditional.[4] Asserting the right to difference, national-anarchists publicly advocate a model of society in which communities that wish to practice racial, ethnic, religious and/or sexual separatism are able to peacefully coexist alongside mixed or integrated communities without requiring force.[15] National-anarchists claim that "national autonomous zones" (NAZs) could exist with their own rules for permanent residence without the strict ethnic divisions and violence advocated by other forms of "blood and soil" ethnic nationalism.[15]

Some leading national-anarchists have stated in the past as having originally conceived the idea of establishing whites-only NAZs which have seceded from the state's economy as no-go areas for unwelcomed ethnic groups and state authorities. In their view, this was an insurrectionary strategy to foment civil disorder and racial tensions as an essential prelude to racial civil war and the collapse of the global capitalist system.[4][6] National-anarchists such as Keith Preston advocate "a vision of revolutionary change that centers on replacing centralized nation-states with a diverse array of small-scale political entities". According to Preston, "anarcho-plularism" is "anti-universalist" because "it rejects the view that there is one 'correct' system of politics, economics, or culture that is applicable much less obligatory for all people at all times and in all places". According to this view, "any group of people could organize and govern themselves as they wished, as long as they leave other groups free to do the same. These self-governing units could be based on ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, political philosophy, or cultural practice". For those national-anarchists, this is "the best possible method of avoiding the tyrannies and abuses of overarching Leviathan states, and accommodating the irreconcilable differences concerning any number of matters that all societies inevitably contain".[8]

In terms of cultural and religious views, national-anarchists are influenced by the radical traditionalism and spiritual racism of Julius Evola, who called for a "revolt against the modern world".[6] National-anarchists have a pessimistic vision of modern Western culture yet optimistically believe that "the decline of the West" will pave the way for its materialism to be expunged and replaced by the idealism of the primordial tradition.[4] Although some adhere to a form of Christian Identity, most of its members within the national-anarchist movement reject Christianity because those national-anarchists believe it to be a Semitic religion that usurped the "Aryan" racial legacy of Mithraism as the historically dominant religion and moral system of the West.[4] National-anarchists embrace a spiritual anarchism based on different forms of neopaganism, occultism and the ethnic religion of national mysticism, especially Nordic racial paganism which they view as genuine expressions of Western spirituality, culture and identity that can also serve as an antidote to the socially alienating effects of consumer culture. National-anarchists hold racial separatism and cultural revitalization through the establishment of confederations of autonomous neo-völkisch communes as the ultimate barrier against globalized racial mixing and cultural homogenization.[4]