National forest up here is being aggressively logged to help with wildfire problems, and the feds have turned wolf control over to the states basically everywhere they exist. Its my state preventing wolf control, not the feds. Been that way for 10 years and will never change. National forest here offers the best hunting around.
Ever looked at the scale reports for a federal timber harvest or seen the balance sheet for the $/mbf it costs the taxpayer for that timber to reach the market? The entire federal land management system is a bloated disaster used at the top to create cushy office positions in DC for friends of politicians and at the local level to maintain the insane cycle of insufficient management causing bigger and more severe wildfires leading to land management budgets being drained to fund firefighting which leads to even less land management and the cycle repeats ad nauseum.
Who is laying out and marketing that timber being "aggressively" harvested on federal ground in your area? Are you sure it's not a state agency doing the work under the Good Neighbor Authority in a last-ditch effort to salvage as much of this rotation of federal timber as possible before it all burns?
Well as i said, lotta logging going on here on fed land specifically to address fires. And the logging is contracted out to the highest bidding private business, youre trying to make it sound like its the usfs itself doing the logging and were paying wages for the loggers. Thats not the case. Feds cant sell off land to developers. States can. Ill keep my federal land. You can enjoy suburban sprawl elsewhere. Wilderness areas are nigger free. Housing developments are not. I spend a lot of my life on national forest land hunting deer, bear, lion etc. Picking berries and mushrooms, shed hunting, being in the mountains alone. That couldnt happen if that land was being sold to developers which it eventually would be if it wasnt fed land.
Federal land is OUR land. We own it. State land not so much. I have to buy a pass to park on state owned land. Federal land no pass required because it belongs to me.
And the logging is contracted out to the highest bidding private business, youre trying to make it sound like its the usfs itself doing the logging and were paying wages for the loggers.
I didn't imply this at all. Stand improvement, pre-sale work, and harvest administration are all separate from logging costs. Those other pieces are all paid by the taxpayer and it costs us an astronomically high $/mbf for the USFS to harvest timber when compared with any other land management agency or organization outside of maybe the ODF.
Logging costs (logger's wages) are paid for out of the value of the timber, which is factored in the bidding process you mentioned. That has nothing to do with the USFS's extreme pre-sale costs. And in some cases, timber was allowed to degrade so badly that loggers are being paid more than the actual delivered value of the logs just to get the shit cleaned up. The USFS routinely sells timber at negative stumpage. Anyone else would be fired for doing do.
As long as we're talking about massive overhauls of land management philosophy let's say that if federal land management ends, portions of that ground are protected by non-development easements at the state level. Many state land management agencies and private timber companies already do this. We don't have to consider the situation as of everything else would have to remain static if the USFS were shut down as they should be.
Ever noticed how large game prefer edge spaces and transition zones between widely spaced seed-tree harvests and more closed canopy rather than the fuckshow jungle of ladder fuels, beetle kill, and root disease that is huge swaths of federal ground?
Federal land is OUR land. We own it.
LMAO. Just like you "own" your own property but still have to pay property taxes. You are granted leave to recreate on the "king's land" and you pay taxes for the privilege, nothing more.
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