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So serious question I've had weighing on me quite heavily lately. Are cross idols? While I was carving one I felt great weight on my shoulders as I pondered this point. I'm really thinking about destroying the piece.

So serious question I've had weighing on me quite heavily lately. Are cross idols? While I was carving one I felt great weight on my shoulders as I pondered this point. I'm really thinking about destroying the piece.

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It's a sign of your devotion to your religion. (Just like the Star of David is to the devil worshipers. Or, say, the black box in the desert is to the islamists that pray to their pedo warlord.)

One doesn't pray to the cross, one prays to God.

I'd consider an idol to be a physical object that represents an artist's physical representation of what they think their God looks like. Take, for instance, the totally made up religion of the church of the flying spaghetti monster, I don't believe any of them are praying to a colander. (Probably made up by a kike, I'm not interested in knowing.) A step further, I think that is just a troll religion for atheists to have a go at snubbing our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Do they need roped? No. They need saved. (At least, those that aren't White.)

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It's a sign of your devotion to your religion. (Just like the Star of David is to the devil worshipers. Or, say, the black box in the desert is to the islamists that pray to their pedo warlord.)

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Thanks. Couldn't remember how to spell Remphan and talk to text wasn't any help. And again, I'll agree that most of the White institutions have been infiltrated and their messages 'reformed' by kikes. The current Pope is a jew or a blackmailed shabbos goy. We haven't had a decent Pope since the 80s, from what all I can deduce. I'd love to live in a White utopia, but we live in a mess. It's a total mess.

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Do you worship and pray to the letter t? What about x? No, you aren't worshiping or praying to the cross. The cross represents your faith in Jesus Christ dying for you, for me, for all of us and our sins. It represents something, a moment in time, an event. The thing that is the cross is immaterial to your worship.

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in my opinion, modern christianity and its symbols are nothing what the original jesus intended. it has been perverted by every jew and retard on this planet. bill hicks had a good analogy. it would be like making a big wooden rifle when paying homage to JFK. of course, i also think that it is stupid to pay these mega churches billions, when we have starving people.

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Christianity and churches can't be further away from each other. All modern churches are nothing more than satanic, jewish corporations.

Jesus stood up to the jews and was a Messiah from the God (or Son of God) and a rightful King of his people. Not the first or the last Son God has or will send us, but he made an timesless impact that jews will never be able to match or erase.

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i agree with every bit of that statement

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Not one iota of scripture in this thread:

Matthew 16:24-26

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

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Well I feel like a fool for not realizing that statement was made prior to crucifixion. Now the question becomes was he foreshadowing the method of death or was “take up your cross“ an expression that already existed at the time?

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Jesus is the origin of the statement. It is a prediction, a demonstration, and a command.

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i didnt quote or draw from the scripture, because what i wrote was my opinion. the entire jesus story as we have been told over the years, doesnt sit right with me for some reason. because i am not a theologian, all i can offer is my opinion. my walk with the father (the all creator) is probably different than most, and i pray to him alone. while i do believe that jesus was an actually person, the story bears too many similarities to other figures throughout history. positive christianity is a good moral framework for people trying to do right, but to me, it leaves more questions than answers. i am not trying to get into a debate here, just offering my opinion.

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> modern christianity and its symbols are nothing what the original jesus intended

I do not disagree. I've been working on putting it together.

Zeus is also known as Saturn. Saturn is another name for Satan. The English translation of Zeus is Jesus. It's also possible Jesus means "earth pig" in some variations of Latin. I have so much more material to add even more clarity to this. Christ did exist. Yashuah was his name. He was born on 9/11, 3 bc.

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i have thought for years, that the greatest trick the kikes every pulleed was getting the goyim to worship satan and not even know it. look at circumcision. we have been tricked into thinking that it is a good thing. its basically a humiliation ritual that makes the jews money.

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There are differences between idols, and symbols. The cross is an outward expression of an inward commitment to our Lord. You see symbols used heavily in Catholic practice. Where it becomes an issue is when you start to worship the item itself as if it's holy. Like the people who worship the "crying" Mary statue, or the people who make it a point to buy a specific flask of holy water because someone blessed it.

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I think it’s this.

If somebody destroyed your cross, would you be fine with it, upset because something you worked on was destroyed, or upset because something you revered was destroyed.

If it’s the first two, you’re fine. When you start to revere the religious items beyond what they represent from an artistic perspective, that’s when they become idols.

Similarly, you could revere an ancient Christian relic for its rarity, and be upset that something so rare was destroyed. As long as you don’t worship the item itself, it remains only an appreciation for artistry or rarity.

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In my humble opinion, it is not an idol because you don't worship or pray to it. If you bowed before it, that would be completely different.

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The amount of cope and spin here is fascinating...

In my opinion, it is idolatry.

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I know I already posted on this matter, but let me give you an example of what I believe is an idol.

So I woke up one morning, reaching for my phone to silence my alarm. I admit that I spend a lot of time on my phone, however much of that time is work-related. But there’s plenty of screen time that isn’t work-related. And in the mornings after I silence my alarm, my usually routine before I even crawl out of bed is to check bank balances, check poal, check for messages from customers, etc.

Well this particular morning a thought jumped into my head: this phone is your god. If that’s what you reach for first thing in the morning, and you spend more time on your phone (not work-related) than you do in the Word or in prayer, then that phone is your god. It is an idol.

So that particular morning I silenced the alarm, broke my routine, and left my phone bedside. I was not even going to bring it downstairs with me. It was a Saturday so I didn’t need it right away for work, and instead I devoted that entire morning to God and reading my Bible, prayer, etc. Words were jumping off the page of that Bible at me like I had never experienced before. I felt that God was pouring out his spirit to me and making his word known to me (proverbs 1:23). It was the most productive day that I had in a very long time.

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> Well this particular morning a thought jumped into my head: this phone is your god. If that’s what you reach for first thing in the morning, and you spend more time on your phone (not work-related) than you do in the Word or in prayer, then that phone is your god. It is an idol.

This is funny because I just said something similar to someone today.

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It seems to me that the cross would just be a reminder of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Through out the day, we all are faced with choices... good or evil. Those choices set us on a path. It's nice to be reminded which path to take.

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Do you bow yourself down to it in acts of worship? If not then I don’t know if I would consider it an idol. Nevertheless, if it is nagging at your conscience then that is between you and God, and you must do what your conscience is telling you.

1Corinthians chapter 10 sort of addresses this, although he is speaking of food offered to idols. Basically if it troubles your conscience, then don’t do it. If it causes another brother or sister to stumble, then refrain from doing it for their sake. But whatever you do, do it for the glory of God.

So, if you believe making a cross is honoring God, then that is a good thing and you should keep it. If you believe it to be an idol and an object of worship and it troubles your conscience, then perhaps you should destroy it.

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I've been thinking about this post today, and did you notice that the more crosses people wear or display all around, the less their actions in life reflect Christian values? There are always exceptions, of course.

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Some of the most rabid christians are evangelical. They are also the biggest supporter of "god's chosen" (small g because I don't believe The Bible's God chose them).

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> I've been thinking about this post today, and did you notice that the more crosses people wear or display all around, the less their actions in life reflect Christian values? There are always exceptions, of course.

This is a true statement. It's as if they need an outward expression to show others rather than keep it personal between themselves and God. I personally don't own any crosses.

I prefer making gifts for others than buy them some random junk. I cut out half a dozen cross blanks from some mahogany I've had laying around. I began carving the first one. The whole time I keep thinking about this question. Then when I posted a pic of it, one of the first comments was someone calling it an idol. That can't be a coincidence. I don't want to be a stumbling block for another.

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Read the verse, starting in Exodus 20:4

4 You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them or serve them;

If you're worshipping a statue of Ganesh, that's idolatry.

If you're bowing or praying to a statue of Mary, a cross, etc, that's idolatry.

If you're serving something over God, such as "I should go church, but I decided to work overtime instead to make the payments on my luxury car"...you're serving that car instead of God and making an idol out of it.

A good rule of thumb is that if you're creating an object and granting that thing religious significance or reverence, it's probably an idol. You serve the God of spirit and holiness, not sticks and stones and tangible objects.

Additionally, crosses are very likely syncretism from the pagan cult of Tammuz to begin with. Jesus was crucified on a "stalos", which most closely translates to "stake". Sure, you can put a crossbeam on a stake if you really want to, but that's a stretch to begin with and sketchy given the obvious incentive to adopt pagan idols to bring in Tammuz devotees.

Furthermore, when Jesus comes back, how do you expect Him to react to Christians wearing crosses? It'd be like JFK being resurrected to find his biggest fans wearing sniper rifle pendants or CIA badges. It's unbelievably creepy.

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