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In my area, there is this concept that one can pray away any bad situation and do absolutely nothing to achieve a result. This concept is foreign to me because nowhere in the OT or the NT is such a concept found. The book of James clearly shows salvation is tied to works, in that one is saved by Grace alone, but extended through works. The OT has no story about faith alone, every story is set up to show faith operates through works done by an individual or group. So where does this concept of grace with no works come from? Both are tied to each other, and throwing a universalism idea on top of the Bible that anything can be prayed away just makes Christians easy pickings for other groups looking to subvert Christianity. Ironically, coming from the midwest, i couldnt find such a concept being practiced by any church i went to. This universalistic, pray away your problem only seems to exist in super liberal states

In my area, there is this concept that one can pray away any bad situation and do absolutely nothing to achieve a result. This concept is foreign to me because nowhere in the OT or the NT is such a concept found. The book of James clearly shows salvation is tied to works, in that one is saved by Grace alone, but extended through works. The OT has no story about faith alone, every story is set up to show faith operates through works done by an individual or group. So where does this concept of grace with no works come from? Both are tied to each other, and throwing a universalism idea on top of the Bible that anything can be prayed away just makes Christians easy pickings for other groups looking to subvert Christianity. Ironically, coming from the midwest, i couldnt find such a concept being practiced by any church i went to. This universalistic, pray away your problem only seems to exist in super liberal states

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That's funny because you quoted Romans 4. No one else did.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

I mean that the Romans 4 thread died with from which all the rest of this follows.

No matter. Everything you've said is self-refuting.

You: people grab one specific verse (apparently you meant Romans 4:5, not the citation from Acts)

Also you: "... a chapter explaining faith and how God requires nothing of you other than faith in Him"

It's one chapter of many that Paul wrote. The entire letter of Galatians is about the gospel of grace (not of works).

So it really boggles the mind what your point is in all this. Am I wrong to have chosen a representative verse to refute the stupid and false "gospel of works" earlier?