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In my area, there is this concept that one can pray away any bad situation and do absolutely nothing to achieve a result. This concept is foreign to me because nowhere in the OT or the NT is such a concept found. The book of James clearly shows salvation is tied to works, in that one is saved by Grace alone, but extended through works. The OT has no story about faith alone, every story is set up to show faith operates through works done by an individual or group. So where does this concept of grace with no works come from? Both are tied to each other, and throwing a universalism idea on top of the Bible that anything can be prayed away just makes Christians easy pickings for other groups looking to subvert Christianity. Ironically, coming from the midwest, i couldnt find such a concept being practiced by any church i went to. This universalistic, pray away your problem only seems to exist in super liberal states

In my area, there is this concept that one can pray away any bad situation and do absolutely nothing to achieve a result. This concept is foreign to me because nowhere in the OT or the NT is such a concept found. The book of James clearly shows salvation is tied to works, in that one is saved by Grace alone, but extended through works. The OT has no story about faith alone, every story is set up to show faith operates through works done by an individual or group. So where does this concept of grace with no works come from? Both are tied to each other, and throwing a universalism idea on top of the Bible that anything can be prayed away just makes Christians easy pickings for other groups looking to subvert Christianity. Ironically, coming from the midwest, i couldnt find such a concept being practiced by any church i went to. This universalistic, pray away your problem only seems to exist in super liberal states

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[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

The book of James clearly shows salvation is tied to works

You are dead in your sins. I know I tell you this all the time, but man... it's bad.

You cannot earn or merit your salvation. James says that "YOU SEE that a man is justified by works." You see it. Not, "you see, XYZ" but "you are able to see that X has occurred."

Totally ridiculous reading of the passage, but completely believable. Maybe you should focus more on Galatians, i.e. the only city that didn't receive an honorary blessing/greeting from Paul in the letter. Their false gospel is the same as yours.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

The original idea is that when you get saved, works can be shown so there is a change. That is to say that faith and works work together in a way to show that one is saved. One is not able to be saved simply by works, or faith though. One can be saved and through the holy spirit stop drinking, however one can not stop drinking and claim to be saved simply because of the action. However, this point is completely lost upon most people, and instead even the faith based denominations focus too much on works and not faith