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Is there intent involved, or is the action what makes a sin? For example, if you look at a woman and say she's pretty, but don't act on those impulses, did you really commit a sin?

Is there intent involved, or is the action what makes a sin? For example, if you look at a woman and say she's pretty, but don't act on those impulses, did you really commit a sin?

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Those who believe that it is possible to 'fall out of grace' and lose salvation will hold strictly that sin requires action. Otherwise, we'd all lose our salvation on a ~daily basis.

I believe most in protestant christendom would say that a 'thought' isn't sin, but a dwelling in it can be a sin.

Example: You notice a pretty girl in a short skirt. That isn't sin ... you are a guy and guys are wired to be attracted to women. But, you proceed to fantasize about her, you let lustful thoughts fill your mind and you enjoy dwelling in them. Somewhere in there a line is crossed and you are 'in sin.'

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Those who believe that it is possible to 'fall out of grace' and lose salvation will hold strictly that sin requires action.

I listen to Christian preachers sometimes. One of the things they like to say is, "Once saved, always saved." It's the most ridiculous doctrine I've ever heard.

Do they actually believe that a man who finds Jesus, or at least thinks he finds Jesus, and then goes out five years later and rapes and murders a small child, is going to heaven? It sound to me as if they do believe that. For the sake of discussion I'm presuming there is such a thing as "heaven" here, and such a state as "being saved."

My take on things is that, if you sin, you are a sinner. It doesn't matter what you may have said, or even believed, prior to your sins. You are an evil person doing evil things, and if there is divine punishment, you are going to receive it.

You should study up..... the Bible addresses all this, and yes... once saved, always saved.

if you look at a woman and say she's pretty

Who knows. Jesus says:

... everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart

So don't do that. Also this answers your question about action being required. There are many "sins of the heart" that do not always have an outward manifestation.

Recognizing attraction, and lust are completely different things.

Right. That's where "WHO KNOWS" comes in. If you lust, that is sin.

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Temptation is not sin. Acting on temptation is sin.

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12Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. 18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. ... all men are sinful... the lusts of the flesh resides in their hearts... we are energized by the spirits which dwell in our minds...we are to try these spirits by the word... these spirits(thoughts,beliefs,doctrine) which influences our thinking and result in the actions we take...In the flesh we will have "temptation" but we can overcome these "temptations" through the spirit(Christ) which dwells in us..all man does is "sin"..only thoughts and action through HIM are not SIN