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I have Christian friends and acquaintances that believe all jews go to heaven because God "chose" them.

I ask them to read Acts 2, and think critically. Remember, that's not Peter talking. He and the other apostles were "filled with The Holy Spirit...the Spirit gave them utterance."

The Holy Spirit is God. He was speaking directly to the jews gathered for Pentecost.

In Acts 2:38, God tells everyone---jew and gentile alike---what they have to do to be saved. He doesn't say "Everyone has to do this, except for the jews, My Chosen People, who get a free ride."

(And why would any Christian want to be in the same "heaven" with people like Harvey Weinstein or Jeffrey Epstein?)

I have Christian friends and acquaintances that believe all jews go to heaven because God "chose" them. I ask them to read Acts 2, and think critically. Remember, that's not Peter talking. He and the other apostles were "filled with The Holy Spirit...the Spirit gave them utterance." The Holy Spirit is God. He was speaking *directly* to the jews gathered for Pentecost. In Acts 2:38, God tells everyone---jew and gentile alike---what they have to do to be saved. He doesn't say "Everyone has to do this, except for the jews, My Chosen People, who get a free ride." (And why would any Christian want to be in the same "heaven" with people like Harvey Weinstein or Jeffrey Epstein?)

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[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

There's a lot to unpack. Let me start at the end.

(And why would any Christian want to be in the same "heaven" with people like Harvey Weinstein or Jeffrey Epstein?)

This question betrays a complete ignorance of the gospel of grace. Are those men accused/guilty of greater sins than you or I? Of the two men who went into the temple to pray (Luke 18:10), are you not acting like the former?

We were ALL dead in our sins, deserving of permanent exile from a Holy God because of our rebellion. Only by God's mercy and grace do we have the opportunity to spend eternity knowing Him, through the sinless life, unjust death, and self-resurrection of Christ Jesus.

More below.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

all jews go to heaven

Romans 9 speaks directly to this. Acts might be helpful in a supportive sense, but the meat is in Romans. Also 11:11 and following.

[–] • 1 pt

I didn't say they're not capable of attaining God's mercy. I don't think they have as of yet, but that's between them and God.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

That doesn't really follow from what has been written so far in this thread. My initial resistance was against language that suggests ... well, a lot of things, including that we somehow get to judge the righteousness of others, or have a say in who gets saved, or determine the weight of a given sin (pedo, sex assualt, etc.)

[–] • 1 pt

We don't get to choose who receives God's mercy, but we're supposed to judge. Jesus judged others, and we're supposed to be Christ-like. But like He said, we're supposed to judge ourselves first, because we're going to be judged by that same measure.

I'm not a child molester, so I feel I can place judgement on people who molest children.

[–] • 3 pts

My understanding as a Christian is that they are absolutely beholden to the same requirements, like you thought, and given that most if not all don’t believe in Jesus, they aren’t going there. They also have a biblical history of completely fucking the chances given them by God, and attempting to (((subvert))) Him at every turn. The last big chance they got was God sending Jesus right into their land to try and save them. A few followed, a ton failed. Of course, no matter who they are, all it takes is genuine repentance and acceptance of Jesus to be saved. But at this point jews despise Jesus, so yeahhh.

[–] • 0 pt

So let me get this strait. You worship a God that your not even his chosen people? That's like Jews worshiping Hitler.

[–] [deleted] • -1 pt

Christianity is a cattle religion meant to subvert the most empathetic of gentiles. Any Christian that doesn't house an open hatred for jews is just a slave.

[–] • 0 pt

I think for the most part, Christians have been misled. There's been a lot of changes since the days when Jesus called out the jews for being in league with satan. Christians didn't always tolerate the filth (you know, 109 countries). But their current beliefs have been formed by the media since WW2, and hardened by intense holocaustianity over the last 50 years.

And tolerance of evil wasn't something Jesus taught, yet it's a mainstay in many (most?) denominations now...again, due to the media owners.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

There are better things to look up to these days anyway. Most christians are hopelessly lost.