Of all of my issues with Catholicism, this is perhaps my biggest issue. Prayer is a scared gift Jesus gave us to speak to him and the father directly. Prayer to ANYONE other than them is idolatry. I had a debate yesterday where the person tried to imply that what they're doing is not prayer, but petitioning her to intercede on their behalf.
So true, it is heartbreaking to see people giving such devotion to idols.
Latria, Hyperdulia And Dulia
The dead sleep.
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Enjoy Your Portion in This Life
7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.
9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.
10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes 9 KJV
Almost every major difference between protestants and Catholics boils down to language.
who are in Heaven to talk to God for us just like we would ask someone here on earth. The old English (not Old English, but I digress) way of saying "ask" is "pray", as in "I pray thee, good sir...".
Can you show a scripture that clearly states that, please?
Do you know how I know you didn't read the link I posted?
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Enjoy Your Portion in This Life ... 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9 KJV
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2 KJV
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. Deuteronomy 18 KJV
Yeah, and all of those verses have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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