Verse of the Day John‬ ‭14:12-17 | Poal: Say what you want.

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If you love me, keep my commandments.

We show our love through obedience to the law. I just finished reading Leviticus, why do we not follow those laws?

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You’ll have to continue reading much further; but here’s the cliff notes:

Israel was given the law and commandments as part of their covenant with God. They agreed to keep it all, and they would be God’s people. This law was placed inside the Ark of the Covenant.

Almost as quickly as they agreed; Aaron (Moses’ brother) melted gold and erected a calf and started offering sacrifices to it. He said they would have a great feast to honor God, so it seems to imply that they were blending pagan practices in the name of God.

This sin broke the newly ratified covenant and the punishment for that is death. Moses pleaded with God not to wipe them out and start anew; so God showed mercy and placed a new book of the law beside the Ark (not inside) as a witness against these people for breaking the covenant.

Paul clarifies the significance. Jesus paid the death penalty for Israel’s sin with the golden calf. This fulfilled the requirements of the book of the law, placed beside the Ark. The book of the law is a curse, while the law and commandments are sanctifying. Jesus established a new covenant, build upon the original foundation of law and commandments, and all who except him are the true Israel of God.

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Thank you for that. I'm almost done with Numbers. It is shocking that the Israelites witnessed the plagues, passover, and parting of the Red Sea, the fire column, and still rebelled. I've read the ...7? covenants with man, just haven't seen how the new covenant with Jesus modified the past covenants. Does one of the books go into this more so than the others?

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As I understand it: covenants cannot be modified. They are made and binding, and extinguished if they are broken. Gods word is everlasting however, so his laws existed before they were written in stone, and stand to this day.

The book of the law (witness against Israel) was put in place temporarily until messiah came, as stated in (Gen 49:10) “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes, And to him shall be the obedience of the peoples.” A quick study of the Hebrew words reveals that scepter also means affliction; so the affliction of the Jews will remain until Jesus comes.

There isn’t necessarily a single book that goes into all the distinctions, but when you understand them, all of Paul’s letters are in perfect harmony with the law. I wish it was clearly laid out to avoid all the confusion, but I think God set it apart for the Holy Spirit to reveal through study by the true seekers of understanding.

Unfortunately most churches don’t understand and toss the law and commandments out with the book of the law, so the entire Old Testament no longer applies in their opinion. Most Christians seem to think that “Old Testament God” and Jesus are not one and the same. He is teaching the same laws and commandments, from the beginning until the end.

The gospels, among many things, tell a story about the apostles not recognizing the purpose Jesus came to earth. They thought he was there to establish his kingdom and rule as king, while they’d have high ranking positions. It wasn’t until after his death and resurrection that they realized his business here was to tie up loose ends from the past sins committed, clarify the laws and commandments (as they were being corrupted by the priests and temple, doctrines of men being passed off as commandments of God), and to establish his covenant with a new people, true Israel, who were scattered throughout all nations unbeknownst to them (us).

He is the Passover lamb, his death is the feast of unleavened bread, his resurrection is the feast of first fruits etc. All that is written in the OT is absolutely relevant to us today, and even the writings throughout the book of the law do a great job of adding details about God’s laws and feasts. We study the old events as historical, understanding how it happened again semi-metaphorically during Jesus’ life, and look for them to happen a third time to be ready upon his return.

As I understand it: covenants cannot be modified. They are made and binding, and extinguished if they are broken. Gods word is everlasting however, so his laws existed before they were written in stone, and stand to this day. The book of the law (witness against Israel) was put in place temporarily until messiah came, as stated in (Gen 49:10) “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes, And to him shall be the obedience of the peoples.” A quick study of the Hebrew words reveals that scepter also means affliction; so the affliction of the Jews will remain until Jesus comes. There isn’t necessarily a single book that goes into all the distinctions, but when you understand them, all of Paul’s letters are in perfect harmony with the law. I wish it was clearly laid out to avoid all the confusion, but I think God set it apart for the Holy Spirit to reveal through study by the true seekers of understanding. Unfortunately most churches don’t understand and toss the law and commandments out with the book of the law, so the entire Old Testament no longer applies in their opinion. Most Christians seem to think that “Old Testament God” and Jesus are not one and the same. He is teaching the same laws and commandments, from the beginning until the end. The gospels, among many things, tell a story about the apostles not recognizing the purpose Jesus came to earth. They thought he was there to establish his kingdom and rule as king, while they’d have high ranking positions. It wasn’t until after his death and resurrection that they realized his business here was to tie up loose ends from the past sins committed, clarify the laws and commandments (as they were being corrupted by the priests and temple, doctrines of men being passed off as commandments of God), and to establish his covenant with a new people, true Israel, who were scattered throughout all nations unbeknownst to them (us). He is the Passover lamb, his death is the feast of unleavened bread, his resurrection is the feast of first fruits etc. All that is written in the OT is absolutely relevant to us today, and even the writings throughout the book of the law do a great job of adding details about God’s laws and feasts. We study the old events as historical, understanding how it happened again semi-metaphorically during Jesus’ life, and look for them to happen a third time to be ready upon his return.

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