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I'm not going to argue this point on the basis of accuracy of content, because that's not the real issue. The reason you should adopt only the King James 1611 edition as your Bible is for the stability of God's word.

Do you know how many English translations of the Bible we have today? Because, I don't. There are too many to count. Every year someone beings out a new translation, or revises a recent translation. Consider what effect this has on religious faith. The Bible is the Rock on which Protestantism is built. It is considered to be the actual words of God. But how can anyone believe this, in their hearts, when those words change every year? They cannot, even if they want to do so.

In order for the Bible to be the foundation of our belief system, it must be firm; it must be stable; it must be unchanging. When you build a house on shifting sands, it falls into ruin. We are trying to build our Christian faith on the shifting sands of hundreds of Bible translations, all of them different from all others. It cannot be done.

The first edition of the King James authorization of the English translation of the holy texts is around 400 years old. That's not old in biblical terms, but it is old enough to provide some stability to Christians using the texts. They read the same verses that were read by their fathers, and their grandfathers, and their great-grandfathers, in exactly the same words. This provides the continuity that is absolutely essential for a faith to endure.

When was the last time the Jews changed the wording of the Book of Genesis? I believe it was when they returned from their captivity in Babylon. That's a long time ago, and it has given the Old Testament books stability. The clowns who are rewriting the New Testament every year, along with the translation of the Old Testament into English, care nothing about continuance of the faith, or stability of belief -- they only care about copyright. If they rewrite the Bible, they can copyright it and make money from it. That's what drives all these translations, not a desire for accuracy.

The text of the Bible in English has been accurate since the time of Tyndale. The King James edition solidified the text for English believers, and we don't need any changes to it. They don't increase our belief. They don't change anything at all, other than undermining the faith of Christians, who can't understand why every Bible says something different.

The name of Jesus is a good point. Recently, it's become fashionable in a cult that calls itself Christian to say that "Jesus" is not the original name of the Christ, and therefore when you use the name "Jesus' in your prayers, they have no power. Can you see how distructive of faith this kind of thinking is? King James Bible users can say that "Jesus" is the name of God and has proven its worth over the span of four centuries. They can rightly claim that the King James version of the Bible is the translation that God approved and appointed to the English-speaking peoples of the world. All other translations are mere pretenders.

The argument in favor of King James only-ism does not stand on accuracy of translation of texts from the Hebrew and Greek -- it stands on the absolute necessity for Christians to have a stable text that they can rely on not to change from one year to the next. Its four centuries of use show us that it is the English version approved of by God.

I'm not going to argue this point on the basis of accuracy of content, because that's not the real issue. The reason you should adopt only the King James 1611 edition as your Bible is for the stability of God's word. Do you know how many English translations of the Bible we have today? Because, I don't. There are too many to count. Every year someone beings out a new translation, or revises a recent translation. Consider what effect this has on religious faith. The Bible is the Rock on which Protestantism is built. It is considered to be the actual words of God. But how can anyone believe this, in their hearts, when those words change every year? They cannot, even if they want to do so. In order for the Bible to be the foundation of our belief system, it must be firm; it must be stable; it must be unchanging. When you build a house on shifting sands, it falls into ruin. We are trying to build our Christian faith on the shifting sands of hundreds of Bible translations, all of them different from all others. It cannot be done. The first edition of the King James authorization of the English translation of the holy texts is around 400 years old. That's not old in biblical terms, but it is old enough to provide some stability to Christians using the texts. They read the same verses that were read by their fathers, and their grandfathers, and their great-grandfathers, in exactly the same words. This provides the continuity that is absolutely essential for a faith to endure. When was the last time the Jews changed the wording of the Book of Genesis? I believe it was when they returned from their captivity in Babylon. That's a long time ago, and it has given the Old Testament books stability. The clowns who are rewriting the New Testament every year, along with the translation of the Old Testament into English, care nothing about continuance of the faith, or stability of belief -- they only care about copyright. If they rewrite the Bible, they can copyright it and make money from it. That's what drives all these translations, not a desire for accuracy. The text of the Bible in English has been accurate since the time of Tyndale. The King James edition solidified the text for English believers, and we don't need any changes to it. They don't increase our belief. They don't change anything at all, other than undermining the faith of Christians, who can't understand why every Bible says something different. The name of Jesus is a good point. Recently, it's become fashionable in a cult that calls itself Christian to say that "Jesus" is not the original name of the Christ, and therefore when you use the name "Jesus' in your prayers, they have no power. Can you see how distructive of faith this kind of thinking is? King James Bible users can say that "Jesus" is the name of God and has proven its worth over the span of four centuries. They can rightly claim that the King James version of the Bible is the translation that God approved and appointed to the English-speaking peoples of the world. All other translations are mere pretenders. The argument in favor of King James only-ism does not stand on accuracy of translation of texts from the Hebrew and Greek -- it stands on the absolute necessity for Christians to have a stable text that they can rely on not to change from one year to the next. Its four centuries of use show us that it is the English version approved of by God.

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Roman catholic church is the beast of many waters. Same beast that will have a "mark". Same beast that scripture warns all who worship (obey) it and are found in its service will be cast into the lake of fire. Also tasting the final 7 plagues of Gods wrath.

She is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. Antichrist.

Christ warns you in Revelation 18:4 to come out of her. Sadly, you dont actually care what the scriptures say. Only how the prelates of Rome command you to read them.

Follow the Lamb wherever He is. Not where men tell you He is.

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The harlot is Apostate Israel - the Jews, principally.

I have my own thoughts on Scripture, but I never hold to an exegesis (interpretation) that the Church has ruled impossible, on Scriptural grounds, to hold.

My trust in a Christ-selected authority for interpreting Scripture is itself Scriptural ()

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Rome is the harlot. The largest "christian" denomination.

The roman catholic sun cult has from its inception been satans counterfeit church. Continuing on the mystery religion of babylon under the guise of Christ.

Jesus said "few" will find eternal life. Not the largest so called Christian denomination. 1.3 BILLION catholics and her 1 BILLION apostate protestant daughters is in no stretch of the imagination "few".

Revelation 14:2 - Here is the patients of the saints. Here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

That verse alone disqualifies the jews, catholics and her daughters.

Daniel 7:25 - And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws.

Wonder who that sounds like?

>"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." - Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".

>Pope Nicholas I declared that "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man." - Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.

>"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" - Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894

>"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895

>"Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

Handful of quotes out of hundreds.

Revelation 18:4 - Come out of "her" my people

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The roman catholic sun cult has from its inception been satans counterfeit church.

God is Truth (John 14:6), and so unless 100% of what non-Christians do is false, it is to be expected that what few good elements there are within other religions would be baptized into the Christian faith. This goes for rational arguments as well as symbols and imagery - insofar as such things do not contradict the teachings of the faith.

Jesus said "few" will find eternal life. Not the largest so called Christian denomination.

Few just indicates some amount less than half of the whole. There are almost 8 billion people alive today, and many more who have lived throughout time. Furthermore, not everyone who calls himself Catholic will necessarily be saved. The Truth of the faith is not determined by how many claim to believe in it.

Revelation 14:2 - Here is the patients of the saints. Here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

That verse alone disqualifies the jews, catholics and her daughters.

No it doesn't. I already explained how there has to be a difference between eternal / moral commands that last forever, and ceremonial commandments, like circumcision, that do not. Given that this is the case, we must look only at the eternal commandments to see who keeps what. Christ commanded that we love God above all, and love our neighbour as ourselves - commandments which contain the Ten Commandments themselves.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." - Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".

That's a fake quote. The actual statement reads thus:

He that reigneth on high, to whom is given all power in heaven and earth, has committed one holy Catholic and apostolic Church, outside of which there is no salvation, to one alone upon earth, namely to Peter, the first of the apostles, and to Peter’s successor, the pope of Rome, to be by him governed in fullness of power.

God reigneth on high, and committed the Church to Peter and Peter's successors, the Popes.

Pope Nicholas I declared that "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man." - Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.

Another fake quote. The statement is from Decretum Gratiani, Prima Pars, Distinctio 96, Canon 7. is the full source. Go to Distinctio 96 (XCVI), then in the sidebar to the left, click on Canon 7 (VII), and you will find the following text:

Satis euidenter ostenditur, a seculari potestate nec solui prorsus, nec ligari Pontificem, quem constat a pio principe Constantino (quem longe superius memorauimus) Deum appellatum, cum nec posse Deum ab hominibus iudicari manifestum sit. Sed et Theodosius minor sanctae sinodo scribens dixit Ephesinae primae. "Deputatus est igitur Candidianus, magnificentissimus comes strenuorum domesticorum, transire usque ad sanctissimam sinodum uestram, et in nullo quidem, quem faciendae sunt de piis dogmatibus questiones seu potius expositiones, communicare. Illicitum namque est eum, qui non sit in ordine sanctissimorum episcoporum, ecclesiasticis intermisceri tractatibus."

Putting this through Translate, I get the following:

It is clearly shown,

should be set free from a secular power, either totally

be either bound the Pope

which has proved its love by the loving ruler, Constantine

(very mentioned above)

God called / appointed [Deum appellatum]

when it cannot be judged by men that God can manifest to sense.

It is readily understood how a careless translation could seem to entirely change the meaning. By breaking the statements into one translation at a time, what I glean from this is that 1) God is not judged by man, and 2) the Pope is appointed or called by God. It is not saying that the Pope is God, that is to say, shares His essence; this runs completely contrary to the doctrine of the Catholic Church and the Church's entire tradition. Even if a Pope did say this, it would render him a heretic; it would not render the faith false.

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty"

Yes, the Pope is the Vicar of Christ. The Pope is not God, but he does "stand in God's place" temporally, on Earth; that's what Vicar means. That's what Christ signified by giving the keys of heaven to Peter, the first Pope; a key is something that grants access to a place, and does not change its shape - if its shape is changed, is use is forfeited. Thus Peter (and Peter's successors, after him) were entrusted to hold this key, this true faith, and protect it from perversions such as your own.

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things."

The act was performed by the Apostles themselves (see my reference to Acts 20:7 in my comment above), and the Apostles were the Fathers of the Catholic Church. The justifiability of this change to ceremonial precepts I have already explained. Unless you want to argue, contrary to St. Paul, that circumcision is still necessary for salvation, than your radical fear of altering anything from the Old Law is as inconsistent as it is ridiculous.

"Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

This must be approached in a Thomistic way. In how many ways can a thing be "above" another? In perfection, is one way; in nature, another; in priority, another still. In perfection, Scripture is above the Church (taking the Church to be its members as well as its doctrines), since the Church's members may be flawed or contradictory, whereas Scripture cannot be. In nature the same is true (if the Church is taken the same way), since Scripture is the very Word of God. But in priority, the Church is first, since it is by the Church (or more accurately, by God, through His Church) that Scripture is canonized and thus given its authority. In this way, the Church is above Scripture, which, reacting charitably to the statement quoted, is what must have been meant.

Or in that statement, the Church was strictly being taken as her Magisterium and doctrines, in which case the authority given her would have been emphasized only, and the same conclusion can be drawn.

Revelation 18:4 - Come out of "her" my people

The Church is a "her" because She is the Bride of Christ; the Harlot is a "her" because she was unfaithful to Christ, who should have been faithful. The Harlot is Apostate Israel, and it is you who must come out of your apostasy, enter into humility, and cease applying individual and insufficiently informed interpretations to the Word of God.

Your entire faith is based on an incomplete understanding of the necessary difference between ceremonial and eternal precepts, as well as a reliance on websites that misquote Catholic Popes.