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I'm not going to argue this point on the basis of accuracy of content, because that's not the real issue. The reason you should adopt only the King James 1611 edition as your Bible is for the stability of God's word.

Do you know how many English translations of the Bible we have today? Because, I don't. There are too many to count. Every year someone beings out a new translation, or revises a recent translation. Consider what effect this has on religious faith. The Bible is the Rock on which Protestantism is built. It is considered to be the actual words of God. But how can anyone believe this, in their hearts, when those words change every year? They cannot, even if they want to do so.

In order for the Bible to be the foundation of our belief system, it must be firm; it must be stable; it must be unchanging. When you build a house on shifting sands, it falls into ruin. We are trying to build our Christian faith on the shifting sands of hundreds of Bible translations, all of them different from all others. It cannot be done.

The first edition of the King James authorization of the English translation of the holy texts is around 400 years old. That's not old in biblical terms, but it is old enough to provide some stability to Christians using the texts. They read the same verses that were read by their fathers, and their grandfathers, and their great-grandfathers, in exactly the same words. This provides the continuity that is absolutely essential for a faith to endure.

When was the last time the Jews changed the wording of the Book of Genesis? I believe it was when they returned from their captivity in Babylon. That's a long time ago, and it has given the Old Testament books stability. The clowns who are rewriting the New Testament every year, along with the translation of the Old Testament into English, care nothing about continuance of the faith, or stability of belief -- they only care about copyright. If they rewrite the Bible, they can copyright it and make money from it. That's what drives all these translations, not a desire for accuracy.

The text of the Bible in English has been accurate since the time of Tyndale. The King James edition solidified the text for English believers, and we don't need any changes to it. They don't increase our belief. They don't change anything at all, other than undermining the faith of Christians, who can't understand why every Bible says something different.

The name of Jesus is a good point. Recently, it's become fashionable in a cult that calls itself Christian to say that "Jesus" is not the original name of the Christ, and therefore when you use the name "Jesus' in your prayers, they have no power. Can you see how distructive of faith this kind of thinking is? King James Bible users can say that "Jesus" is the name of God and has proven its worth over the span of four centuries. They can rightly claim that the King James version of the Bible is the translation that God approved and appointed to the English-speaking peoples of the world. All other translations are mere pretenders.

The argument in favor of King James only-ism does not stand on accuracy of translation of texts from the Hebrew and Greek -- it stands on the absolute necessity for Christians to have a stable text that they can rely on not to change from one year to the next. Its four centuries of use show us that it is the English version approved of by God.

I'm not going to argue this point on the basis of accuracy of content, because that's not the real issue. The reason you should adopt only the King James 1611 edition as your Bible is for the stability of God's word. Do you know how many English translations of the Bible we have today? Because, I don't. There are too many to count. Every year someone beings out a new translation, or revises a recent translation. Consider what effect this has on religious faith. The Bible is the Rock on which Protestantism is built. It is considered to be the actual words of God. But how can anyone believe this, in their hearts, when those words change every year? They cannot, even if they want to do so. In order for the Bible to be the foundation of our belief system, it must be firm; it must be stable; it must be unchanging. When you build a house on shifting sands, it falls into ruin. We are trying to build our Christian faith on the shifting sands of hundreds of Bible translations, all of them different from all others. It cannot be done. The first edition of the King James authorization of the English translation of the holy texts is around 400 years old. That's not old in biblical terms, but it is old enough to provide some stability to Christians using the texts. They read the same verses that were read by their fathers, and their grandfathers, and their great-grandfathers, in exactly the same words. This provides the continuity that is absolutely essential for a faith to endure. When was the last time the Jews changed the wording of the Book of Genesis? I believe it was when they returned from their captivity in Babylon. That's a long time ago, and it has given the Old Testament books stability. The clowns who are rewriting the New Testament every year, along with the translation of the Old Testament into English, care nothing about continuance of the faith, or stability of belief -- they only care about copyright. If they rewrite the Bible, they can copyright it and make money from it. That's what drives all these translations, not a desire for accuracy. The text of the Bible in English has been accurate since the time of Tyndale. The King James edition solidified the text for English believers, and we don't need any changes to it. They don't increase our belief. They don't change anything at all, other than undermining the faith of Christians, who can't understand why every Bible says something different. The name of Jesus is a good point. Recently, it's become fashionable in a cult that calls itself Christian to say that "Jesus" is not the original name of the Christ, and therefore when you use the name "Jesus' in your prayers, they have no power. Can you see how distructive of faith this kind of thinking is? King James Bible users can say that "Jesus" is the name of God and has proven its worth over the span of four centuries. They can rightly claim that the King James version of the Bible is the translation that God approved and appointed to the English-speaking peoples of the world. All other translations are mere pretenders. The argument in favor of King James only-ism does not stand on accuracy of translation of texts from the Hebrew and Greek -- it stands on the absolute necessity for Christians to have a stable text that they can rely on not to change from one year to the next. Its four centuries of use show us that it is the English version approved of by God.

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Fair argument on the surface. Now do doctrines.

Bible says the 7th day is the sabbath. Catholic church (and sadly also most protestants) say no, the 1st day is now the sabbath.

Bible says there is One true God which has a Son. Catholic church (and sadly most protestants) say no, there are 3 equal co-eternal gods.

Bible says Jesus was brought forth (born) out from His Father before the world was created. Catholic church (and sadly most protestants) say no, Jesus is a co-eternal god who had no beginning.

Bible says due to the degregated state of nature, some animals are not to be consumed. Catholic church (and sadly most protestants) say, no you can eat anything you desire.

Bible says those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus are those He calls His. Catholic church (and sadly most protestants) say, no Gods commandments were abolished.

And on, and on and on and on...

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Bible says the 7th day is the sabbath. Catholic church (and sadly also most protestants) say no, the 1st day is now the sabbath.

Seventh day is sabbath under Old Law. First day is Lord's Day under new. The natural law (eternal) aspect of the third commandment to keep the sabbath day holy, is still fulfilled by celebrating the Lord's Day - which is the first day per Scripture (Rev 1:10, Acts 20:7). The detail about the last day of the week is not and cannot pertain to the eternal law, but only the ceremonial precepts of the law. If you object to the last day not being kept, you should object also to Christians no longer sacrificing animals. The sacrifice of animals, while under the Old Law, was only a ceremonial precept. It was fulfilled (Matthew 5:17) and so no longer exercised in that way. It is perfected in the sacrifice of Christ. Likewise, the detail about the end of the week - which made sense while Israel was still awaiting the Messiah - is now fulfilled and perfected in the Lord's Day on the first of the week - which makes sense now that the Messiah has come.

Bible says there is One true God which has a Son. Catholic church (and sadly most protestants) say no, there are 3 equal co-eternal gods.

John 1 plainly outlines a Trinitarian doctrine.

Bible says Jesus was brought forth (born) out from His Father before the world was created. Catholic church (and sadly most protestants) say no, Jesus is a co-eternal god who had no beginning.

Jesus Christ is a Divine Person, the second Person of the Trinity, Who assumed a created human nature and human soul.\ for the salvation of man. A complete reading of Scripture permits no other interpretation.

Bible says due to the degregated state of nature, some animals are not to be consumed. Catholic church (and sadly most protestants) say, no you can eat anything you desire.

Matthew 15:11. Again, the dietary regulations under the Old Law were ceremonial, not eternal. They served to symbolically represent various things to a specific people under specific circumstances. With the fulfilment of the Law, these were no longer necessary, and Christ alluded to this Himself.

Bible says those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus are those He calls His. Catholic church (and sadly most protestants) say, no Gods commandments were abolished.

The Church absolutely does not assert that any of God's eternal commandments - that is to say, moral / natural law commandments - are abolished. Only ceremonial precepts have been rendered perfected through Jesus Christ.

Circumcision was "commanded" also - but it was not something eternal, not something moral, but rather something ceremonial - something befitting the people God chose to receive Him, for a specific time. St. Paul makes clear that, after Christ's life, death, and resurrection, this precept is no longer salvific. ()

You have demonstrated here how essential careful interpretation of Scripture is; looking carelessly at individual statements and, out of fear, treating them as literal and still applicable, without an appropriate sense of the purpose for which they (the ceremonial precepts, for example) were given in the first place, only opens oneself up to false interpretations. This is what happens when a lone man, or a small group, get together and discern what they will from Scripture, without the benefit of thousands of years of exegesis and careful study, immortalized in the Church's tradition. There is probably no one who has ever known the Bible as well as St. Thomas Aquinas, who considered himself a Bible Scholar more than anything else, and his careful exegesis is in line with the careful exegesis of those Christians who came before him, and he (and they) together have no difficulty addressing every point you have made or might make, because they see the whole picture, where you alone cannot possibly.

Be humble, and submit to the authority of the Church God Himself established on the rock of St. Peter (), lest you make more mistakes such as these.

Repent or risk, in your pride, confronting the fires of hell.

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Roman catholic church is the beast of many waters. Same beast that will have a "mark". Same beast that scripture warns all who worship (obey) it and are found in its service will be cast into the lake of fire. Also tasting the final 7 plagues of Gods wrath.

She is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. Antichrist.

Christ warns you in Revelation 18:4 to come out of her. Sadly, you dont actually care what the scriptures say. Only how the prelates of Rome command you to read them.

Follow the Lamb wherever He is. Not where men tell you He is.

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The harlot is Apostate Israel - the Jews, principally.

I have my own thoughts on Scripture, but I never hold to an exegesis (interpretation) that the Church has ruled impossible, on Scriptural grounds, to hold.

My trust in a Christ-selected authority for interpreting Scripture is itself Scriptural ()

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This was refreshing to read.

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To your first point. In Germany, Monday is considered the first day of the week, and the seventh day, the day of rest, Sunday.

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France also I believe. Regardless, historic record shows the day we call saturday is the sabbath of Gods law. Of course if people are genuinely ignorant, the bible says God winks at the ignorance. But it also teaches we are not to remain ignorant for ignorance sake.

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Multiple places in protestant US as well.

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I’m fairly certain most genuine English-speaking Christians understand this, at least on an intuitive level - even if they don’t articulate the fact out loud.

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Agreed. Have you ever read "If the Foundations Be Destroyed" by Gail Riplinger? Holding fast to the received text and avoiding the gnosticism and erosion of the person and attributes of Jesus introduced in alternative texts and later translations is vital.

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I think most preachers fall down when they try to defend King James 1611 in terms of accuracy. It can't be defended that way -- James White rips them to shreds. It can be defended as the only English Bible in terms of its length of years, its widespread acceptance, and its beauty of language. I tend to agree with the view that the translators were inspired by God.

Written to appease the catholics? Ok WTF ever thats bullshit at least use the Geneva 1599. King Fucking James? Really cuz hes a good guy? I think he is one of the main reasons we have America!?

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God was practicing when he did the Geneva Bible. He got it right when he did King James, first time around.

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The KJV was primarily written to be soothing to the ear - to be pleasing to King James when read in his court. It was not dedicated, principally, to being faithful to the original texts.

The Douhay-Rheims version is better for this.

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James White would disagree with you. He says the King James version is highly accurate. His quibble is only that it's not perfectly accurate in all respects. But then, what translation is, or ever will be?

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Question: in this version of the Bible, does the 10 commandments say thou shall not kill or thou shall not murder

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I think it says something about "do not use vain words to twist the truth" or something like that, somewhere in there.

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The barbecue Bible begs to differ

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I think the strength that Christians can derive is great but I totally don't believe. I've read KJB, ESV and such pretty thoroughly and I appreciate that it's a foundational document for the west... But it just doesn't click for me.

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“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.”

“The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”

Essentially, the Bible is full of fantastic and ridiculously foolish stories that are impossible to believe. Why did God choose this way? Because, as 1Corinthians ch.1 tells us, that the world through its own wisdom knew not God, therefore it pleased God through the foolishness of what we preach to save them that believe. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. Therefore God chose what is foolish in the world to confound the wise, and God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong. You see, the world’s problem is that it is full of PRIDE, and God is in the business of humbling people...

So how does one believe? The preaching of the Gospel. In fact, the apostle Paul states in 1Corinthians ch.1 that when you use eloquent words to preach the Gospel, you empty the cross of its power. This isn’t about intellectualism, as so many Christians try to make it. In fact, if we are to take the scriptures at face value, Christianity is actually anti-intellectual! There is a certain wisdom in the scriptures, but it is not of this world, and it is incomprehensible without faith.

So back to the Gospel. If you would like to believe, my friend, then allow me to preach the Gospel to you in all of its glorious foolishness, and may the Spirit of God empower these words that I am typing to have some impact upon you. The Gospel is this: That God, who is holy, and who was at one time at enmity with mankind, has now made peace with us through the blood of His Son, Jesus the Christ. You see, God chose a nation and entrusted them with the oracles of God. This nation was supposed to be a light unto the gentiles, but instead they went astray and became a stumblingblock. God sent them prophets, but they stoned the prophets and cast them out. God then sent his Son, but they nailed him to a cross. You see, they intended this for evil, but God intended it for good, for in the death of His son, God made peace with us by Jesus’ blood. This Jesus - the Word of God, or the Greek Logos, or the ultimate divine reason, or the wisdom of God - this Jesus emptied himself of his Divinity and came to earth as a humble man, and gave his life as a ransom for many. He was crucified, nailed to a cross, and died and was buried. And then, three days later, he was raised from the dead by the power of the Spirit, and he is now seated at the right hand of the Father. And he shall inherit all things, and indeed he already has inherited all things, and God has given him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Amen

What is even more incredible is that those who believe in Jesus and confess his name are adopted into the family of God as sons and daughters of God, and we are given an inheritance as well, or rather we are partakers of Christ’s inheritance. And this inheritance is eternal, and imperishable, and those who believe in Jesus and call upon his name shall inherit the earth with him. We shall be called sons and daughters of God, and we shall rule and reign with him in righteousness, all because of the choices that we made in the here and now.

Or let me put it another way: God is holy, and because of His holy nature he cannot abide in sin, he cannot tolerate sin. Sin must be punished, and because we are not ignorant of our transgressions - God has given us several witnesses, including our conscience and even his written word - because we are not ignorant we must be held to account. And yet, instead of pouring out his wrath upon us, he poured it out upon his son. This wasn’t some case of cosmic child abuse, rather it was a plan formulated from time eternal to redeem a fallen creation. Oh brother, I could go on for days about this stuff. It truly is the only thing that matters to me anymore, but let me just finish with this:

My friend, forsake the things of this world. they are worthless and are not to be compared to the riches of Christ.

If you are still reading this then thank you and God bless you for making it this far, and have a happy new year. May 2021 be a new beginning for all of us...

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I'm such a fan of the 1611 that I bought . It weighs almost 30 pounds

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Sure you did. Pics or gtfo.

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I prefer the NASB

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homo

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Interesting point. I stand corrected, nigger.

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