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The 'truth' is an idea which defies scrutiny. Censorship is the opposite of truth; it is the promotion of lies.

It appears that the very same disease of censorship on Voat was transmitted here to Poal during the great migration. There is a sizeable group of accounts which have taken control of popular subs, and then ban the truth from coming through, thereby promoting lies and growing the disease.

It is likely that these very same accounts are controlled opposition judging by their ardent and CONSTANT projection onto others of being a jew while their ideas are questioned, at which point they are permanently banned -- akin to a child unable handle contrary thought.

In their twisted world-view, they define a sub as 'property' for which they decree to deny access, yet Poal does not belong to them, and neither does speech (do you think they own your property @AOU ?).

The link attached is a conversation between @AntiClutch and myself regarding this very same topic of censorship and ownership which ultimately led to censoring of my speech on not just that sub, but 11 others controlled by him:

This egregious act would be comical if it weren't so chilling considering that some of these sub have more bans than posts... It is clear that already the specter of censorship is taking hold right here in one of the VERY LAST bastions of free-speech during a time when it is being eradicated all over the internet and all over the world. It may appear insignificant at first, but this is all it takes for Poal to become yet another dust-bowl of freedom.

What are your thoughts?

>The *'truth'* is an idea which defies scrutiny. Censorship is the *opposite* of truth; it is the promotion of lies. It appears that the very same disease of censorship on Voat was transmitted here to Poal during the great migration. There is a sizeable group of accounts which have taken control of popular subs, and then ban the truth from coming through, thereby promoting lies and growing the disease. It is likely that these very same accounts are controlled opposition judging by their ardent and CONSTANT projection onto others of being a jew while their ideas are questioned, at which point they are permanently banned -- akin to a child unable handle contrary thought. In their twisted world-view, they define a sub as 'property' for which they decree to deny access, yet Poal does not belong to them, and neither does speech (do you think they own your property @AOU ?). The link attached is a conversation between @AntiClutch and myself regarding this very same topic of censorship and ownership which ultimately led to censoring of my speech on not *just* that sub, but 11 others controlled by him: - [MFW](https://poal.co/s/MFW) - [TFW](https://poal.co/s/TFW) - [DeathOfAmerica](https://poal.co/s/DeathOfAmerica) - [AmericaIsDead](https://poal.co/s/AmericaIsDead) - [AnonExplains](https://poal.co/s/AnonExplains) - [Diversity](https://poal.co/s/Diversity) - [FellowWhites](https://poal.co/s/FellowWhites) - [Jewess](https://poal.co/s/Jewess) - [Jewflu](https://poal.co/s/Jewflu) - [WhosePrivilege](https://poal.co/s/WhosePrivilege) - [Kikes](https://poal.co/s/Kikes) This egregious act would be comical if it weren't so chilling considering that some of these sub have **more bans than posts**... It is clear that *already* the specter of censorship is taking hold right here in one of the **VERY LAST** bastions of free-speech during a time when it is being eradicated all over the internet and all over the world. It may appear insignificant at first, but this is all it takes for Poal to become yet another dust-bowl of freedom. What are your thoughts?

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[–] [Sticky] • 3 pts

Subs aren't the property of users.

Admins don't get involved with "user created" subs (aka non-default) unless they break the ToS.

If you disagree with how a user sub is managed, feel free to make your own and post better content (competition is good).
Users will naturally subscribe to yours if they think their content is better suited and on-topic with the subs.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

It is censorship because it has the same negative effects of censorship.

Censorship allows bad ideas to exist in a vacuum without criticism. Banning people from subs for on topic discussion does the same thing.

Now banning someone for low effort flaming a sub.. why not.

[–] • 1 pt

Cant "win" an argument with a jew mate. @anticlutch is a jew.

[–] • 0 pt

It's beyond him now.

What matters is what Poal will do about it.

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I want to make sure I'm clear on all this. Let's say I make a sub about trains, for example, and it's just for talking about trains. Then, you pop in and make a bunch of comments and posts about airplanes. At what point can I ban you for not talking about trains? Or, can I not ban you for anything?

Or, are we just talking about a troll constantly popping in to say trains are gay? Similar, but different things.

This is an honest question since everyone is afraid of downvoting even the trolls. If you think I have any motive here and accuse me as such, kill yourself. It's just a question.

[–] • 0 pt

It would be off topic, but it is still speech. Anyone off topic will either have that pointed out to them or be ridiculed.

Spam however of the variety which is nonsensical or intentional to slide the conversation is not speech, and is fact another form of censorship. A PROPER mod would warn that person, and then give a temporary ban.

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After the ridicule and warnings, can I ban you?

I consider forum sliding to often be spam, which I will downvote. Same thing for posting the same shit on 5 subs. That gets you 4 downvotes.

I'm more curious about question #1. When is a ban ok?

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

The best remedy to speech is more speech.

People often say '/pol/ is always right'. The reason for that is because everyone is free to speak.

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There is a sizeable group of accounts which have taken control of popular subs...

Don't you dare fucking lie for one second.

I haven't taken control of any sub.

I have created many subs. Nearly all of them are unposted on and unused as of yet.

In their twisted world-view, they define a sub as 'property' for which they decree to deny access, yet Poal does not belong to them, and neither does speech (do you think they own your property @AOU ?).

Because the comparison fits. It fits perfectly and you don't like it.

Like I stated in the submitted SS;

If I refuse niggers entry onto my property, is that censorship?

Additionally you have literally ZERO expectation of being allowed to post what you want in any sub you want whenever you want. That's absurd.

AND

As I've said elsewhere: free speech while admirable is a terrible as fuck ideal to follow when your enemies are within and WILL use it against you to unravel what you've created. As you and @SexMachine are doing. Go make your own subs and ban me. You will NEVER see me kvetch about it.

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Quit spam tagging me in everything.

[–] • 0 pt

Uh sorry?

I assumed someone who was brought up in conversation would want to know about it.

[–] • 0 pt

You appear to be unhinged. This is what happens when you're left to develop ideas in an echo-chamber.

AntiClutch, I still believe in you that you can return to reason.

[–] • 0 pt

I'm unhinged? I write out a reply and you write out an ad hominem?

A+ dude.

[–] • 0 pt

You appear so in your prose, including lashing out at others not even in the conversation.

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>As I've said elsewhere: free speech while admirable is a terrible as fuck ideal to follow when your enemies are within and WILL use it against you to unravel what you've created. As you and @SexMachine are doing. Go make your own subs and ban me. You will NEVER see me kvetch about it.

Just fuck off you shit you censored for merely exposing the economical differences between fascism, nazism and communism and concluding in the end that anyways, if the entire leadership is corrupt, no system is sustainable

And you just couldn't handle that and resorted to outright ban in place of argument

You only deserve contempt, you are a miserable piece of shit, a small almostman, a shit

You belong to reddit you fucking hypocritical pompous fuck

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>It appears that the very same disease of censorship on Voat was transmitted here to Poal during the great migration. There is a sizeable group of accounts which have taken control of popular subs, and then ban the truth from coming through, thereby promoting lies and growing the disease.

Nice projection here

YOU ARE THE CENSORSHIP CONTROL FREAK YOU SHIT

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

It would be censorship if I called for them to be censored. I have not.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

Austrichfag or whatever is his handle, is a piece of shit reddit cancermod

The guy deleted one of my comments for no reason whatsoever. A comment in which I was describing the economic differences between nazism, fascism, and communism, plus a little background about who was mussolini ( a leftard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Emigration_to_Switzerland_and_military_service )

And I concluded after a paragraph or two that, no system whatsoever can sustain widespread corruption, so it's basically pointless to look for the perfect system as long as corruption is part of your leadership's culture essentially, because no matter what you'll end with a self serving oligarchy ruling the country, fast, or faster, that's the only difference you'll get in the end

...

Well he didn't bother to argue against that, he just deleted it like piece of shit. So to me, he deserves nothing but contempt, he's shit and should be treated as such

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I support the truth, and the only way to get there is to support all speech.

Any system controlled by humans will inherently be corrupted, so I do agree with that. We need an AI government.