Gavin promotes promiscuity and sucks Israeli dick. Granted, he is helpful with moralizing young men and helping them to be more masculine. It does seem like he should take himself more seriously because some of the things he says and does are somewhat important but unfortunately they get overshadowed by his reluctance to avoid being easily labeled a globo. Jones has been helpful several times. The things he explained on Rogan's podcast was relatively helpful, mostly just from a perspective that helps Norman get a better grasp of what we're dealing with. He was also helpful with Sandy Hook, which also, unfortunately, didn't end up being as helpful as it should've been. He still pretty clearly connects to MOS though. Ultimately, I'd say it's about a 40/60 split between helpful and not helpful for the both of them.