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So I'm in the market for a new car. New new. The used market is fucking stupid and apparently my almost 10 year old Honda is worth $15k trade-in.

My first thought was to stick with Honda, but they seem to have paired their trim levels down and now the base model comes with almost nothing and they don't have the options to add things. You have to go up a trim level. Even the mid trim is lacking features my current mid trim Honda has.

My next thought was Toyota. I was onboard until I read you can't do remote start unless you pay a monthly subscription. Not only is that fucking retarded, that's a deal breaker for me.

So I'm not sure where to look now. What are the Poalr suggestions?

Things I need in a new car: - reliability - good gas mileage - remote start and auto lock (crazy that this isn't standard these days) - Android Auto support

Things I'd like to have in a new car: - wireless android auto\phone charge - moon roof - heated seats - not ghey looking

So I'm in the market for a new car. New new. The used market is fucking stupid and apparently my almost 10 year old Honda is worth $15k trade-in. My first thought was to stick with Honda, but they seem to have paired their trim levels down and now the base model comes with almost nothing and they don't have the options to add things. You have to go up a trim level. Even the mid trim is lacking features my current mid trim Honda has. My next thought was Toyota. I was onboard until I read you can't do remote start unless you pay a monthly subscription. Not only is that fucking retarded, that's a deal breaker for me. So I'm not sure where to look now. What are the Poalr suggestions? Things I need in a new car: - reliability - good gas mileage - remote start and auto lock (crazy that this isn't standard these days) - Android Auto support Things I'd like to have in a new car: - wireless android auto\phone charge - moon roof - heated seats - not ghey looking

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[–] • 2 pts

Toyota. They constantly improve reliability every year and shun major changes for that reason. Fuck remote start.

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My issue with Toyota is 2 fold. 1: they're MASSIVELY over priced. 2: while they're still well built, their quality control in the past 10-15 years has gone down hill. Especially for how much they want for it. It's almost the same price to buy some luxury cars as it is to buy a Toyota nowadays.

[–] • 3 pts

I guess it depends on the model. The Corolla starts at like $23k which isn't bad these days. $26k for trim I'd be looking at.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

You want one made in Japan by obsessive compulsive Japanese guys, not a lazy nigger factory in the rural south.

The 4Runner, Prius, RAV4 Prime, Land Cruiser, Lexus LS, Lexus IS, Lexus GS, and Lexus LX are still 100% made in Japan.

Some other models are made there or not. If the VIN starts with a "J", you're good to go.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

I think your perception may be off on the price perspective. All prices listed were as advertised starting prices on the company websites, today.

Toyotas cheapest auto is the corolla, its 22,325 advertised. Toyotas Cheapest mid size sedan, Camry is 28,700 Cheapest SUV/Crossover Corolla Cross 24,135. You can get into some of the best things they make 4runner for 40,770. Small truck Tacoma starts at 31,590. 1/2ton truck Tundra starts at 40,090

Chevy - Cheapest and only car - Malibu. one option. 25,800, SUV/Crossover 20,500, Chevy works for the truck market - Colorado is 31,900, has to be priced there to get any market from the dominant leader, (Toyota and Jeep), 1/2ton truck - 37,000

Ford - Only car - Mustang - 31,920. SUV/crossover Escape priced at 29,515, new target - fake trucks (competes with the ridgeline) Maverik 28,145, Small truck Ranger - 33,330, 1/2ton F150 38810

Honda - Small car, Civic 24,595 Mid car, Accord 28,295. SUV/Crossover HR-V 26,200 - fake truck Ridgeline 40,150

I can agree with thier decline in QC. 2 bad launches in the first half of 2020 did not help them keep their image. The worst of the launches. The tundra, still has better reliability than the f150 or silverado. However can lose to both in towing if equipped for such tasks. The tundra starts a couple K over the other 2, but ends up in the same range with a ton of options thrown at the high end packages.

The Taco launch has also been a disaster, hurting the sales of a market leading segment for them, allowing Chevy, Ford, and even Nissan to play some catch up in the segment. The taco still prices lower than the other 3 competitors at entry price alone.

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Chevy Trax, the $20,500 crossover/SUV is made in Korea/Mexico and it's price could change due to tariffs.

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Plus they now only put 4 cylinder engines in new Tacoma's - turbo I believe. The '22 model still had the V6. Maybe the '23 too?

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Quality control is still fantastic for the models 100% made in Japan, and not nignog Kentucky or Tennessee.

The 4Runner, Prius, RAV4 Prime, Land Cruiser, Lexus LS, Lexus IS, Lexus GS, and Lexus LX are still 100% made in Japan.

Some others like the Camry vary. If the VIN starts with a "J", you're good to go.