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So I'm in the market for a new car. New new. The used market is fucking stupid and apparently my almost 10 year old Honda is worth $15k trade-in.

My first thought was to stick with Honda, but they seem to have paired their trim levels down and now the base model comes with almost nothing and they don't have the options to add things. You have to go up a trim level. Even the mid trim is lacking features my current mid trim Honda has.

My next thought was Toyota. I was onboard until I read you can't do remote start unless you pay a monthly subscription. Not only is that fucking retarded, that's a deal breaker for me.

So I'm not sure where to look now. What are the Poalr suggestions?

Things I need in a new car: - reliability - good gas mileage - remote start and auto lock (crazy that this isn't standard these days) - Android Auto support

Things I'd like to have in a new car: - wireless android auto\phone charge - moon roof - heated seats - not ghey looking

So I'm in the market for a new car. New new. The used market is fucking stupid and apparently my almost 10 year old Honda is worth $15k trade-in. My first thought was to stick with Honda, but they seem to have paired their trim levels down and now the base model comes with almost nothing and they don't have the options to add things. You have to go up a trim level. Even the mid trim is lacking features my current mid trim Honda has. My next thought was Toyota. I was onboard until I read you can't do remote start unless you pay a monthly subscription. Not only is that fucking retarded, that's a deal breaker for me. So I'm not sure where to look now. What are the Poalr suggestions? Things I need in a new car: - reliability - good gas mileage - remote start and auto lock (crazy that this isn't standard these days) - Android Auto support Things I'd like to have in a new car: - wireless android auto\phone charge - moon roof - heated seats - not ghey looking

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Can't speak for what you should buy, but I can tell you what NOT to buy: Any Korean brand, anything Jeep, and anything Nissan.

Most Japanese are still made pretty good, they're just massively over priced. American made can be very hit or miss but they have improved over where they were Pre-Cash for Clunkers.

I'd be buying a truck if it were me, and in that case if I could have a new truck, I'd probably lean into a Ram 1500. If I was in a car or SUV, despite what others say, I'd probably go Subaru again. My outback has been good, and the AWD has been helpful more times than I can count.

[–] • 1 pt

Avoid French trucks.

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Don't think we have any of those stateside. I know Renault was here for like 5 minutes in the 2010s, but they flopped around the same time Fiat did

[–] • 1 pt

Stellantis owns and makes Ram. Stellantis was formed from primarily by the merger of Fiat (Italian) and Pugeot (French), largly run by the French half of the merger. Has gone on to all but gut the companies it owns in favor of direct profits right now.

[–] • 1 pt

I had a friend that owned a Jeep, he bought it brand new and in less than 30k miles his alternator died on him in the middle of the road and he had to get it towed. This was his last straw, he had a host of other problems leading up to this. It seems like you get a good one or its complete shit and most of them are shit.

He sold it back to the dealership and bought a Tacoma. That was probably 6-7 years ago and he is very happy with the choice.

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I'm going strictly my reconditioning reports from the dealership I was at. If we bought used jeeps wholesale, they were clean as fuck in Carfax and under 30k. Anything else was offloaded to Manheim instantly. Kia and Hyundai ALWAYS had drive train issues that needed to be addressed. Nissan is more recent. Since 2020 their vehicles have gone to hell. Altima used to be a laughing stock before, but now everything including the trucks are unreliable

[–] • 1 pt

(((Dodge)))

I don't have the money for a truck. New truck prices are absolutely insane. I just need a commuter for the couple days a week I go into the office.

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Won't argue on truck prices. I spent 20k on my Frontier with 102k miles. I don't regret it cause the gen I got is bullet proof, but it wasn't worth 20k in a normal world.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

20K? The 3 -5 YEAR OLD USED ones are north of 70K in the southwest. Granted they are 2500 cummins but still ..

[–] • 0 pt

When did you get your Frontier? They are still selling pre-2020 with 80k miles for close $20,000. No way I'm doing that, I'll get a current model.

Currently in the market for a Frontier, looking at 23s and 24s. I would prefer to stay away from the cursed years (21-22 as those are typically built the calendar year before), but we'll see. It seems reasonably reliable enough.

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There are certain models of jeep that are OK, but they are few and far between. The grand cherokee from 2011-2024 was built on a mercedes SUV platform. Once you get through the shitty electronics bugs, they are solid vehicles, at least the base models. The rest are pretty crappy.

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Nissan trucks are fine. Anything with a CVT is trash.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

The Frontier is nice. The current Titan is decent. Sadly its discontinued after this years model. Nissan will be down to only the Frontier (US) and its Kei truck (Japan). Some sources, are saying Nissan will offer 4 distince trucks, by 27, but some of those are not trucks. Instead half of what i see planned are large cars (SUV / Crossover).

Distinction is drawn that all trucks, are body on frame. cars and their sub versions (all crossovers / many SUVs) have a unibody chassis which is less stiff and stable over serious obstacle than body on frame.

Look at the best rock crawlers (these arent real cars - but they can traverse anything ven remotely drivable. All are tube chassis.) The second best rock crawlers, are all body on frame vehicles with much of the body replaced with tube structure, following are body on frame. Ive never seen a serious rock crawler, made entirely of sheet metal (unibody).

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I had to look that up about the Titan, this is the first I'm hearing about it. Makes some sense. I hardly ever see one while I see Frontiers all the time (I own one myself).

Hopefully Nissan figures it out. The company is on life support.

[–] • 2 pts

I just picked up a kei truck the other weekend. Little Honda acty. As far as the fancy stuff you're looking for... I got AM radio. I love it. No computer on board. Simple, easy to work on.

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not ghey looking

So Subarus are out of the running.

[–] • 2 pts

You know I dated a woman who had an Outback. I always made the lesbian joke about her car. Looked her up a few years ago - she's now a full blown lesbian and still driving a Subaru.

I called it years ago.

[–] • 2 pts

Toyota. They constantly improve reliability every year and shun major changes for that reason. Fuck remote start.

[–] • 2 pts

My issue with Toyota is 2 fold. 1: they're MASSIVELY over priced. 2: while they're still well built, their quality control in the past 10-15 years has gone down hill. Especially for how much they want for it. It's almost the same price to buy some luxury cars as it is to buy a Toyota nowadays.

[–] • 3 pts

I guess it depends on the model. The Corolla starts at like $23k which isn't bad these days. $26k for trim I'd be looking at.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

You want one made in Japan by obsessive compulsive Japanese guys, not a lazy nigger factory in the rural south.

The 4Runner, Prius, RAV4 Prime, Land Cruiser, Lexus LS, Lexus IS, Lexus GS, and Lexus LX are still 100% made in Japan.

Some other models are made there or not. If the VIN starts with a "J", you're good to go.

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I think your perception may be off on the price perspective. All prices listed were as advertised starting prices on the company websites, today.

Toyotas cheapest auto is the corolla, its 22,325 advertised. Toyotas Cheapest mid size sedan, Camry is 28,700 Cheapest SUV/Crossover Corolla Cross 24,135. You can get into some of the best things they make 4runner for 40,770. Small truck Tacoma starts at 31,590. 1/2ton truck Tundra starts at 40,090

Chevy - Cheapest and only car - Malibu. one option. 25,800, SUV/Crossover 20,500, Chevy works for the truck market - Colorado is 31,900, has to be priced there to get any market from the dominant leader, (Toyota and Jeep), 1/2ton truck - 37,000

Ford - Only car - Mustang - 31,920. SUV/crossover Escape priced at 29,515, new target - fake trucks (competes with the ridgeline) Maverik 28,145, Small truck Ranger - 33,330, 1/2ton F150 38810

Honda - Small car, Civic 24,595 Mid car, Accord 28,295. SUV/Crossover HR-V 26,200 - fake truck Ridgeline 40,150

I can agree with thier decline in QC. 2 bad launches in the first half of 2020 did not help them keep their image. The worst of the launches. The tundra, still has better reliability than the f150 or silverado. However can lose to both in towing if equipped for such tasks. The tundra starts a couple K over the other 2, but ends up in the same range with a ton of options thrown at the high end packages.

The Taco launch has also been a disaster, hurting the sales of a market leading segment for them, allowing Chevy, Ford, and even Nissan to play some catch up in the segment. The taco still prices lower than the other 3 competitors at entry price alone.

[–] • 1 pt

Chevy Trax, the $20,500 crossover/SUV is made in Korea/Mexico and it's price could change due to tariffs.

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Plus they now only put 4 cylinder engines in new Tacoma's - turbo I believe. The '22 model still had the V6. Maybe the '23 too?

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Quality control is still fantastic for the models 100% made in Japan, and not nignog Kentucky or Tennessee.

The 4Runner, Prius, RAV4 Prime, Land Cruiser, Lexus LS, Lexus IS, Lexus GS, and Lexus LX are still 100% made in Japan.

Some others like the Camry vary. If the VIN starts with a "J", you're good to go.

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I've had new VWs the last few years and have been very happy with them.

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I gave up on VW. My wife had a new-to-us deiseal jetta A major wiring harness had a flaw and would get in a spot where it would rub and break some wires and as a result the break lights and cruse control would no longer work. It took hours to find any info on that in a obscure forum post.

I had to fix it TWICE before the whole buyback program thing happened. All in all it worked out for us because they bought it at the Sell price, not what we paid for it (it was used). She bought a toyota and has been driving toyota only ever sense.

I had a VR6 jetta that was fun to drive but the coil packs would fail all the damn time. It had a few other problems too but it was mostly a good car. I kind of miss it.

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Yea i get that. The new stuff seems far better. My Mk7 Golf R is great and my wife's Atlas has also been trouble free.

[–] • 1 pt

New car? Get one that runs.

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Bit out of my price range and the gas mileage sucks.

[–] • 2 pts

Check out mazdas with skyactiv engines, insanely good gas mileage, they handle well, have sunroof options iirc.

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Then I'd still go used if I was you.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

The Toyota may also start remotely using only its FOB. Look it up and see. It's not well known, I discovered it accidentally.

Press the "Lock" button 3 times:

Press Lock → Lock → Lock and hold (hold the third press for 3–5 seconds).

Not ghey looking.... that's tough.

I have Toyotas, yea, not a big fan of how they look, but they work.

[–] • 1 pt

Just tried that on my Wife's vehicle. It's new enough to have the feature but apparently only some trim levels have it and her's must not. Looks like I can get a module that takes about 25 min to install that would enable that feature though, its about $250. Guess ill ask her if she want's it.

[–] • 2 pts

Don't get the app. It sucks, plus it's extremely annoying as it notifies you about everything the vehicle does.

The door was opened, the car was started. The car was parked. It's fatiguing, nearly as bad as niggers.

[–] • 1 pt

You know you can modify the notification settings right? Just saying. Also, I would never want an App. The device I was talking about is 3rd party and doesn't do that shit.

[–] • 1 pt

Yeah I could get an aftermarket remote starter I guess. It'd be nice if it was all in the same fob though. Remote start was standard on my current Honda 10 years ago. Now it's a luxury apparently.

The new Corolla looks like the 2010 Civic. I'm not really a fan but I can overlook. It's not too bad.

The interior of the new Civic looks fucking horrible. Not sure I could get over that.

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I would go with Toyota. Mine is over 20 years old with over 300k miles on it. As long as it gets regular maintenance nothing breaks. Parts are easily available basically anywhere and its cheap to repair as long as its not a major problem.

I replaced the head unit myself so it has all of the android/phone/charger stuff. Its easier to do than you think but get the crimp connectors with heat-shrink tubing already on them if you go this route.

Also, go with a after market remote-start. Not something that is in a APP.

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Look at the lower end of Lexus. Toyota reliability and BMW luxury. (Looks like they make you use they remote app for remote start too.) still, look at standard features of the UX hybrid. 37K listed, and everything you want except that remote app, which I am not sure if that costs a subscription from them or not.

Toyota is my go it, get an aftermarket remote start if that's really important to you. Lots of folks are upset about that toyota connect shit. many car companies doing similar these days unfortunately.

Many users on toyota forums have had luck with aftermarket remote starts, some have not.

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I posted one too! Yay!

I ended up with a Ford Edge SEL 2016 ensuring that I got the AWD 6 cyl, 3.5L engine. Its family friendly, its AWD, the engine comes from the F150 side (no strange 2cyl turbo shit that breaks). Engine bay is decent sized/accessible, the wheels are all independent suspension, good crash ratings, and parts are domestic for the most part.

Edit: it was $15K with $3k down, borrowed the rest on kikes usury terms but that won't last long.

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