Prices of Used EVs Drop Below Used Gas Cars for the First Time - iSeeCars.com

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they might be cheaper at the moment, until the battery needs to be replaced, which is probably why they are for sale, as the battery is on its way out

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It's on it's way out or the fear of it being on it's way. That was my estimation as well.

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It’s almost as if people finally realized that the cost and inconvenience isn’t worth it. Maybe they even realized that the electricity needed to power one comes from a coal powered plant. Maybe they learned that children in Africa mine the lithium and that the mining is devastating to the environment and the health of the miners.

I could have told you this when they first touted EVs, but most people can’t imagine what they would have felt like if they hadn’t eaten breakfast, so you can understand why they couldn’t imagine all these problems in advance. But we did.

Now let’s talk geology: crude oil is a renewable resource. That fact is hidden the same way that climate change’s data is manipulated; any scientist who challenges the narrative is cancelled.

I want a clean environment, I love to spend time in nature, I like to drink clean water and breathe clean air, but I can also balance that with responsible energy production. Solar panels are far more toxic than vehicle emissions. Windmill farms kill birds.

This is all by design to trap us in 15 min cities and take away our freedoms. Climate Change is a means to an end. The climate is changing, naturally. We are exiting an ice age, and human activity may be increasing the process, but it will happen whether we exist or not, in the end.

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My concern with an electric car is the batteries.

1: As the batteries age, they lose capacity. Granted, as a gasoline car ages, it also loses capacity in the form of burning more gasoline per mile, but unlike an electric car, I can still fill up my gasoline vehicle in 5 minutes even if I'm getting 2/3 of the range I used to. The gasoline car, while it costs me more to drive now, still has a near infinite range because of the number of filling stations. This could be alleviated by having more charging stations, but now you're stopping for a charge more often, and you can't top off your battery in 5 minutes like I can with my car. You add hours to your trip, I add 20 minutes. That's assuming your batteries allow you to continue charging them and don't electronically degrade due to the car's computer deciding that your batteries would be unsafe to charge for whatever reason.

2: I can reasonably expect, with some care, to get 2-300k from a gasoline car before it suffers some debilitating failure. That doesn't mean no maintenance, but regular maintenance and perhaps a long-term failure like alternators (which do fail.) WIll the battery powered car last 2-300k without batteries becoming useless? It's hard to say, but Tesla quotes 1500 charge cycles with a range of 3-500k - assuming you go from 100% to 0% every day, which you're not going to do.

The battery in the electric car is it's biggest strength and it's biggest liability. You don't know how well the battery was treated beyond what the car has recorded, so you're sitting on a ticking bomb that's liable to just stop. A dead battery, assuming the manufacturer will replace it, could total the car for you whereas a fuel pump in a gasoline car will hurt, but is doable.

There's also 3: You can get a decent gasoline car for less than an electric.

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Very good points, a diesel car engine, like a VW 2.0 L, can last 300-500K miles, the plastic bits and other parts on the car will fail long before the engine will. These engines have been in use for decades, and are very popular in Mexico, because a well taken-care of VW diesel will last a lifetime.

EV popularity is based on the really cool aspects, like torque and 0-60 mph speed, but also the virtue signaling. Rich folks can afford to buy an new Tesla before the battery starts going bad, the average wage slave is stuck w huge bills that they can’t possibly pay when the battery flies or they have a minor fender-bender.

By biggest problem with these EVs has been the government subsidies. We are subsidizing Tesla stock. If it were economically viable, they would not need subsidies. 53 mil of taxpayers money is paying Elon Musk’s salary this year.

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Yes. Subsidies are the only way to make the things cheap enough for consumers to swallow.

I could see (and have seen) electric vans being used for deliveries in cities. They seem to work for that kind of operation, especially since you can just go back to the depot and get another truckload in a vehicle that's ready to go.