You can definitely take mgtow to an unhealthy black pilled mental place, but overall I'd say they're right on most points. They lose me when it turns into pick-up/hookup game.

MGTOW are dumbasses. Why even engage it? Women can have crap relationships with both parents and turn out fine. Equally women can have the best relationship in the world with both parents and grow up into entitled spoiled brats. From my perspective as a woman, of all my female friends, the ones that came from hardships and struggles in childhood are MUCH more grounded in reality as adults than those who came from sheltered homes. I don't have a lot of patience with my friends who had it easy. Their world view is broken and they can't relate.

I think the daughter-father relationship is much more key to a woman's stable development than the daughter-mother relationship. I want to say I've read some sociology that backs that up

It's not necessarily a problem. It depends on why she and her dad get along better than with her mother. Maybe her dad spoils her and her mom doesn't. Maybe her mom's unpleasant and her dad isn't.

I guess you have to judge each relationship individually.

For example, I haven't spoken to my mother (dubbed fightclub) for about 10 years. It's the best our relationship has ever been. I recognise and acknowledge that she is an awful person who influences people around her to be worse.

In my mind, removing that influence from my life, recognizing the negative impacts it's perviously had and working to overcome them has made me better than if I tried to 'improve' my relationship with her.

Now think of it from the point of view of a potential partner. Do you want someone who will allow damaging people to act unchecked around them (and their/your children)? Would you rather someone who identifies issues and takes action to reduce the harms caused?

MGTOW dudes need to try the unthinkable:" find a nicer girl to date.

Yes.