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I am a programmer and my boss is an asshole that likes to push meetings on after work hours with his pointless waffle that makes me late for my own projects outside of work.

I suspect he's getting pretty pissed off with me so I'm looking for new roles elsewhere. We are generally told that online job boards like * LinkedIn * Indeed * Glassdoor * ...

are placed to find jobs but most of the time the jobs are out of date, full of hiring agencies or recruiters, and they're bombarded with CVs for a role that they've already filled and advertising it is purely a formality. So far the best thing I can think of is to try and attend tech conventions and speak to people (speaking to people - one of my least favourite activities) and I'm wondering if you guys have any other advice for job searching?

Short term I'm just looking for something to pay the bills, long term I want to start my own company.

I am a programmer and my boss is an asshole that likes to push meetings on after work hours with his pointless waffle that makes me late for my own projects outside of work. I suspect he's getting pretty pissed off with me so I'm looking for new roles elsewhere. We are generally told that online job boards like * LinkedIn * Indeed * Glassdoor * ... are placed to find jobs but most of the time the jobs are out of date, full of hiring agencies or recruiters, and they're bombarded with CVs for a role that they've already filled and advertising it is purely a formality. So far the best thing I can think of is to try and attend tech conventions and speak to people (speaking to people - one of my least favourite activities) and I'm wondering if you guys have any other advice for job searching? Short term I'm just looking for something to pay the bills, long term I want to start my own company.
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Just stay away from Monster. That's degraded into nothing but offshore recruiters with junk jobs who will fill your inbox with all kinds of garbage that you're not qualified for - they just matched a keyword.

I know google is shit, but get a gmail address just for job searching, and get a google voice number for your search. You will need to tie it to your mobile, but can disconnect it after you sign up and verify. Your number already has been pwned by the credit bureaus, so keeping your number "private" is kind of moot at this point. gmail is also widely accepted by email systems, so you're going to have less problems getting through spam filters. Pick something reasonable for the name, i.e. EmployThistle or something. If your full name is available, maybe use it. Don't use "BeerFan1976" for your employment mail.

Do not use an email address or phone number you care about. Indians will use it for junk years after you have stopped looking and pulled your profile. They will spam the fuck out of you if you have any kind of technological keywords in your resume.

If there are specialized job boards for your discipline, search them out and use them first.

If you're in the USA, your state employment board is probably just Indeed or Monster. Worthless. USAJobs has a lot of stuff.

You're going to get a lot of silence, and even more static. Don't let that bother you, that's just the way it is. Always reply with a courteous thank you to those who send you something that's in your ballpark but not what you want. Remember that a lot of these recruiters are just finding these jobs online and sending them to you, regardless of what they say. Don't be afraid to grab juicy sections of the text and paste them into a search engine to find the company who actually posted it.

Don't worry about Kumar and all the other pajeets, they didn't even see your resume because a computer sent you the solicitation.

But most of all? Network. You need to talk to people. You need to send your resume to people. Call them. Don't sit around waiting for them to call you.

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/u/CTCZ @CTCZ - I don't know if that'll ping a user.

Well my employer generally keeps us workers insular from the inter-business interactions and if there are business interactions they generally have to go through my employer first.

I guess conferences, events, and getting involved in "communities" are the best route for me.

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That's a good way to find things, but don't be afraid to use the job boards. Just be on your toes. If it doesn't pass the smell test, it's probably bad.

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I think my nose is pretty dumb on this smell test - I hate when people use round about language as I tend to take things quite literally and skim waffling; I don't like to waste time listening to someone who trying to fit as many business neo-lingo buzzwords into one posting.

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Network through customers. I get job offers constantly from customers. How can you start your own business if you hate speaking to people?

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I would recommend that you put starting your own business as main focus and get to it.

Stay where you are, it's paying your bills, but try to tell your boss that you from now have some after work private duties that prevent you from staying even a minute in overtime.

And you won't be lying, you do. Working on your own future is a lot more important than your job.

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Kind of the direction I'm working in right now and because I'm being so strict with the stop-time - I think I'd be the first for the chop if I weren't one of the better programmers. I suppose that's a problem with all talented programmers, they have options and ambitions - the talentless try to keep a hold of their jobs.

I think my colleagues are talented as well, but I'd like to think I have a high standard of programming for myself which pushes me to write better.

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Recruiters usually just reach out to me on LinkedIn. I haven't checked it in a while, because I like my current job, but I was getting at least one message a week from recruiters for a while.

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Recruiters reaching out to you is one thing, actually getting a good worthwhile job is another.

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I know it's anecdotal. Just saying it has worked well for me. Used to work in DoD IT, now I do IT with electricity.

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Find a local recruiter that is American and see if you like their options. Otherwise, stay where you are and start your own business after hours It’s far better to work for yourself.

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I had a shitbag boss like that. The bastard would schedule a meeting at 4:30PM and rant on about nothing until 6. Two workers had kids in daycare and he'd do the "oh sorry...I forgot". I have kept track of him (and one other) prior manager to make sure I don't accidently end up where they are on a contract. If I ever hit the lottery I'll dox both of the fucks.

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I don't mind if he wants to chat outside of work but when he tries to guilt trip us for leaving when we need to - that makes him an absolute asshole. And when he's talking you can't really get a word in edgewise.

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The ones that talk non stop and never come up for air are the dumbest people. Smart people communicate with fewer words.

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I will speak directly to the answer but otherwise I often stay quiet and my colleagues do a lot of communication for me, they do defend my actions against the boss... It's good to know they think that highly of me to do so though I see that as wearing out my good will with them and I don't like it - but it's also wearing out their good will with the boss too.

I think there was something about Jocko and letting your colleagues speak their mind to explain points you carry not only makes your colleague look smart but also you too.