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Relevant constitutional text; https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-6/unanimity-of-the-jury #6th amendment; >In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. **explained;** >Under current doctrine, jury verdicts must be unanimous to convict a defendant of a non-petty offense in both federal and state criminal trials.1 For federal criminal trials, the Supreme Court’s recognition of this unanimity requirement is long-standing, dating back at least as far as the late 1800s.2 But for state criminal trials, it was not until 2020 that the Court held for the first time, in Ramos v. Louisiana, that the Sixth Amendment unanimity requirement applies by incorporation via the Fourteenth Amendment.3 >... see link above 1. Written Do you believe a jury verdict of 11 guilty 1 not guilty MEANS "not guilty"? OR 2. Operates How the jewSA operates is that a verdict of 11 guilty 1 not guilty means "hung jury" and is retried. Do you believe that is correct? What about 10 guilty, 2 not guilty? What about 9 guilty, 3 not guilty? What about 8 guilty, 4 not guilty? ... What about 1 guilty, 11 not guilty? If you agree with the way it currently operates, how broadly would you expand that? A point of note: I do not mean for this to be a conversation on what is necessary now with our degraded society, it's been jewed for far longer than that.

Relevant constitutional text; https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-6/unanimity-of-the-jury

6th amendment;

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

explained;

Under current doctrine, jury verdicts must be unanimous to convict a defendant of a non-petty offense in both federal and state criminal trials.1 For federal criminal trials, the Supreme Court’s recognition of this unanimity requirement is long-standing, dating back at least as far as the late 1800s.2 But for state criminal trials, it was not until 2020 that the Court held for the first time, in Ramos v. Louisiana, that the Sixth Amendment unanimity requirement applies by incorporation via the Fourteenth Amendment.3 ... see link above

  1. Written Do you believe a jury verdict of 11 guilty 1 not guilty MEANS "not guilty"?

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  1. Operates How the jewSA operates is that a verdict of 11 guilty 1 not guilty means "hung jury" and is retried. Do you believe that is correct? What about 10 guilty, 2 not guilty? What about 9 guilty, 3 not guilty? What about 8 guilty, 4 not guilty? ... What about 1 guilty, 11 not guilty?

If you agree with the way it currently operates, how broadly would you expand that? A point of note: I do not mean for this to be a conversation on what is necessary now with our degraded society, it's been jewed for far longer than that.

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Fuck You!

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Watch the Henry Fonda film "12 Angry Men".

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OH MY!!! So reasonable doubt happens? HUH, it's as though that's intentional and by design!

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If it don't fit you must acquit.

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11 guilty, 1 not guilty doesn't equal not guilty. At the same time, the opposite doesn't mean guilty either.

A "hung jury" is an excuse to get the state around double jeopardy. The state with its near limitless resources, shouldn't get the chance to try and get a conviction a second time because they weren't able to convince 12 idiots to agree with the state.

Currently, the state won't bring a case if it doesn't think it will get a conviction.

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Currently, the state won't bring a case if it doesn't think it will get a conviction.

The state brings nearly EVERY case regardless, then they offer (((plea deals))) which are unconstitutional, a verdict (judgement) can only be had by a jury. They seriously overcharge then plea deal down.

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No, they don't. And you are a fool for thinking they take every case to trial.

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I didn't say they did. You're lying.

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On felony cases you have to get a grand jury conviction first. The threshold is much lower, only 50.1% more likely to have done it than not.