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I know this has a 50/50 chance of helping or being useless, but I'm going to try anyway.

I also know, which I can partially understand, that people think I'm a glownigger. Which I'm not and I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise. So, give me crap, actual advise or opinions. I'd prefer the latter but expect both.

I wasn't raised by my parents. Long story, doesn't matter but my grandparents raised me. They're awesome and have taught me some things but probably the two best things they ever did for me was ensuring I was raised knowing God both in the home and with an excellent private Christian school education. One thing they never helped me with or taught me was to have direction and ambition. It led to me being pretty aimless. I was in the National Guard as a combat medic/EMT but other than that I lived a life where I never thought about a future. I lived for right here, right now. My dad died when he was 45 and never accomplished anything. I was 25 when he died and now, as I just turned 40, will absolutely not end up the same way.

So, I've been trying to find something that I can learn and do to ensure I can provide for myself and help those around me as well as give me some direction and focus.

I stumbled upon someone and MAYBE an opportunity. When she was still a teenager her uncle, who had traded futures for decades, brought her in and condensed his entire knowledge base down to the absolute minimum. She's been doing it for going on 10 years now, I believe, and she knows her stuff. Now, she has started a sort of program, or something, in which she teaches the exact method her uncle taught her and that she uses every day - and succeeds.

Learning has never been a problem, I know I have the capability to do this, I wonder if learning to trade futures is something WORTH learning.

Don't focus on the HOW I'd go about learning this. And if this isn't something worth doing, what would be something else I could look into learning and making a career out of? Preferably in same lone wolf style work that is like trading futures. I'm not interested in interfacing with people all day.

So, that's it. I'll definitely read everything, but will only respond to replies worth replying to but it may take time.

I know this has a 50/50 chance of helping or being useless, but I'm going to try anyway. I also know, which I can partially understand, that people think I'm a glownigger. Which I'm not and I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise. So, give me crap, actual advise or opinions. I'd prefer the latter but expect both. I wasn't raised by my parents. Long story, doesn't matter but my grandparents raised me. They're awesome and have taught me some things but probably the two best things they ever did for me was ensuring I was raised knowing God both in the home and with an excellent private Christian school education. One thing they never helped me with or taught me was to have direction and ambition. It led to me being pretty aimless. I was in the National Guard as a combat medic/EMT but other than that I lived a life where I never thought about a future. I lived for right here, right now. My dad died when he was 45 and never accomplished anything. I was 25 when he died and now, as I just turned 40, will absolutely not end up the same way. So, I've been trying to find something that I can learn and do to ensure I can provide for myself and help those around me as well as give me some direction and focus. I stumbled upon someone and MAYBE an opportunity. When she was still a teenager her uncle, who had traded futures for decades, brought her in and condensed his entire knowledge base down to the absolute minimum. She's been doing it for going on 10 years now, I believe, and she knows her stuff. Now, she has started a sort of program, or something, in which she teaches the exact method her uncle taught her and that she uses every day - and succeeds. Learning has never been a problem, I know I have the capability to do this, I wonder if learning to trade futures is something WORTH learning. Don't focus on the HOW I'd go about learning this. And if this isn't something worth doing, what would be something else I could look into learning and making a career out of? Preferably in same lone wolf style work that is like trading futures. I'm not interested in interfacing with people all day. So, that's it. I'll definitely read everything, but will only respond to replies worth replying to but it may take time.

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So many of these "traders" are starting schools on teaching people how to trade. If they are so successful ask yourself why are they wasting time on setting up schools to earn money?

This is a scam. Sucess in trading is only possible if you have large amounts of money to invest in it, everything other than that is just gambling.

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I agree, trading futures has little to no use in society, especially for deplorables like us. I was in the business for decades and saw the scams up front.

If you or your family is well connected and you can get insider information, then I'll say, go for it. Otherwise, learn a useful trade so as society collapses, you'll always have a useful trade. I'm thinking carpentry, plumbing, electrical, machining, mechanical, VAC, and so on. If you're good with abstract thinking, the tech industry may offer something useful to you.

Good luck!

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It's gambling on companies. And the house always wins

Boone is the house

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I am a carpenter. Have been for almost 20 years. I like parts of it and hate others. Plus, where I live it is coming to a grinding halt.

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> If they are so successful ask yourself why are they wasting time on setting up schools to earn money? >>

This applies to a vast area of professions. It is a mantra we have followed in this family forever. Good advice.

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If they are so successful ask yourself why are they wasting time on setting up schools to earn money?

That's deep, I'm steeling that. Has the vibes of book titled "How to make money"

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The trade she actually makes money in is getting suckers to pay for her teachings.

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She doesn't charge for this.

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I see. This wording sure made it sound like something involving money:

Now, she has started a sort of program, or something, in which she teaches the exact method her uncle taught her and that she uses every day - and succeeds.

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She isn't making money from teaching these people. She got her education for free and she wants to pass it on to others.

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Doing odd electrical jobs can pay a lot because people are afraid of electricity. Switches, outlets, even pulling wire and adding new is easy enough (when the area is open enough to do it.)

Now, technically, you're not supposed to do that without a license, but I've known several jobs where half the hourly rate of an electrician was charged to replace some things and the customer was happy.

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Yeah, there are exceptions like if you are working on your own property but even that can be state by state.

In Wyoming you can't even do ethernet (cat5/cat6 network cable) without a low-volt license/certification. Which is kind of stupid.

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In Wyoming you can't even do ethernet

That's either just old fucks not understanding that wire <> house current, because we can and it's money, or both.

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I dunno about glownigger but you sound like a Gen Z whiney bitch. "I don't want to work 9-5." "I don't want to talk to people."

Yeah, me either, but I do it anyway and that's why I'm successful. I also trade stocks. Anything other than fundamentals driven long investing is gambling. I lost 10k trading options last year. I made 30k in dividends and unrealized gains. Statistically you COULD win short term but you WILL lose long term in that game. Plus the market is going to shit blood in the streets in the not too distant future.

Don't lose your ass or you'll be chatting it up with your fellow homeless Gen Z friends.

What are your goals? Set them, assess if they're viable, chart the course to accomplish them. "I want to retire at 55." Whats it take to make that happen? You need to do some math. Make some coffee, open a spreadsheet, get to it.

But...you won't listen, will you? You'll try to take the easy, magical way out. Because some woman talked to you about her system she says works. "She knows her stuff" says the guy who doesn't...how do you know she knows her stuff if you don't know this stuff?

You're really 40? Fuuuuck dude, what are you doing?! You've got a wife and kids by now right?

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I'm a Millennial. And I work very hard as a carpenter, outside, in 110 degree weather. It's terrible. I'm not whining, you cunt, I'm trying to find a way forward.

You just whined again.

Do you have no agency? Are you incapable of moving somewhere that isn't 110 degrees outside? Can you not find a job that isn't carpentry? Fucking wahh.

And then you look for the easy way out with some stock scheme? You could be plotting an actual path forward, but no, stock scheme that'll lose you your ass.

Get some coffee, open a spreadsheet, do research. Set your goals. Analyze them, are they viable? Yes? What does it take to make that happen?

I just hired a kid at 65k/year for a cushy office job as a servicenow developer. He's totally green, only just got his certification. The work is exceedingly easy, there's just a major shortage of developers who aren't indian and need H1B sponsorship. He could be making 100k after about 5 years, if he invests his time in advancing his skillset. I hired him because he was self-motivated, and took the initiative to get his cert before approaching me. I don't even care about certs, but that he had the foresight, he had a plan, to solve his problem, and advance his career, that's what got him the job.

And dick is a more accurate pejorative for me. Cunts have no agency, they just lie there, getting fucked, weeping, probably wishing they were dicks. Dicks, well, you can come up with your own analogies. Team America had a great bit that conveys a similar message.

Admittedly I could have used some emotional intelligence strategies to convey my message in a way that would be most palatable for your precious, one-of-a-kind, snowflake ears...but I believe emotional fortitude is an important skill to learn, as is learning to not be, or at least not act, defensive.

So instead of blowing off my advice because your feelings were hurt, maybe look into setting a plan for your life that isn't a magical easy way out. You have to CLAW your way to the top. It is a job unto itself. And it is the only way out that doesn't rely on pure luck or being a criminal.

I dunno about glownigger but you sound like a Gen Z whiney bitch. "I don't want to work 9-5." "I don't want to talk to people."

Disclaimer, I do think people should work to make an honest living. BuuUUuuut....

You (the general you not you in particular) are literally a tax slave and everything you do and earn is given to isreal, illegal aliens, faggots or niggers with the soul purpose of stealing your land right from beneath you by people who hate and want to enslave you.

You have to work harder to earn enough money to invest in your own life and take care of yourself. You then are so exhausted that you are more open to suggestion and brainwashing because sleep deprivation and exhaustion is one of the requirements to brainwash and its easier to do it this way on a mass scale. When brainwashing is happening on a large enough scale like in the USA, you dont need everyone to be sleep deprived to brainwash someone because there are enough people around spouting the nonsense like it's reality that this really impacts people who grow up in that kind of society. This is why some people put too much stock into women because they think that a women who worked that hard and earns that money must have good advice. His trust in the women is understandable, but it's good people like you are correcting that kind of behavior, because having that much faith in a woman can lead to bad things.

Most people want to work, but most people dont want to just work themselves to death so they can pay taxes and marry a women who will probably turn out to be a psycho bitch. I'm sure theres are alot of happy homeless men glad they arent giving money to jews. Jews are creating welfare states in the USA to further ruin our quality of life, and that works like a piece in a game of chess. It may seem unconnected, but the welfare state paired with the rise of minimum wage is deliberately creating more and more homeless people, as companies are firing people and keeping skeleton crews to run everything, meaning the people who are working are now sharing the workload of everyone who was laid off or fired.

To me it makes perfect sense there are people running about aimless with no direction of life, the deepstate works hard to ruin your internal drive and resolve when you are young. Eobard_Thawne has come to us asking for advice to get over this shlump.

Personally, I saw what trading in the stocks does to a person with no experience, it can turn into a gambling habit. I really hated watching a loved one of mine go through a day trading spinoff of what he is talking about doing. My advice is not to touch the stocks with a 100ft pole. Maybe study it, and as a hobby buy stocks when you think the market is low but will pop off, but do not do it as a way of life and only invest a small fraction of your income that you're willing to lose.

Overall your advice and logic is pretty sound, comes from a good place and would typically be good advice to give to a good honest white man in a good honest white country, but thats not where we are. In this country we live in where low IQ niggers are replacing long time scientists with great rep, where faggots get priority and so on, its not surprising there are people who are aimless, as aimlessness pairs with demoralization. Demoralization of the white race makes us less effective and reduces cohesion as a culture, and ultimately what the deepstate is trying to do.

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My grandfather used to say "make sure you learn a difficult skill and become valuable for what you can do. Otherwise, when the communists take over, you'll end up dead." He spent time in a POW camp, and I highly value his seasoned perspective.

A man's value to society is measured by what he is capable of doing. You can trade options, great. You're the first into the ditch. That "skill" isn't of value to society.

And, personally, if that's what you bring to the table, you're not an effective person to keep in my rolodex for when I may need a hand with something either. Friendships are really hard to maintain. It takes sacrifice and work for when any one of them ever call needing something. I drop anything I'm doing and go help them. I don't have time to maintain friendships with useless people. I may come off as a dick for saying that, but it's just the raw reality of the universe. A man needs to surround himself with highly capable people, and take the absolute best care of them when they ask for ANYTHING. I do have a couple friends who dabble with stocks, but not a single one who trades options. Personally, I find that skill to be useless, which legit would make that person more of a burden than a benefit to maintain.

An honest question deserves an honest answer. I know you didn't want to hear that. Sorry bro. It's just reality.

An EMT who can suture or has access to people who can - I would absolutely saddle up with. Why not follow that passion?

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I have a useful skill, carpentry. And I don't hate it, but I definitely don't love it and it isn't mentally satisfying. Plus I HATE hot weather.

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A money based system on recruiting an ever-increasing number of "investors." The initial promoters recruit investors, who in turn recruit more investors, and so on. The scheme is called a "pyramid" because at each level, the number of investors increases.

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She doesn't make money from teaching people this.

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Trade futures? Like with a crystal ball? Learn a trade, become competent, and add to the future of both yourself, and society. Mike Rowe has excellent data on the future of trades, and why they will become the next set of wealthy careers.

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Bro. Futures are a type of derivative contract agreement to buy or sell a specific commodity asset or security at a set future date for a set price.

I know a trade. Carpentry.

But I will look into the Mike Rowe thing because I know he has an excellent insight into the job industry. Thanks.

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We have some commonality. My Dad died at 50, I was 27. My grandparents had my Dad at age 40. Growing up, I always felt I was raised with values/attitudes a generation older than my peers. Dad had a relatively successful career as a homebuilder/developer yet was depressed that he wasn't more successful. We weren't poor but money was usually pretty tight. Growing up, Dad wanted me to become an engineer ... I didn't know what I wanted. So, I went to school, got a job, became a semiconductor engineer - and loved it for most of 25 years. The last 7 years were far more demanding, outrageous schedules, shitty raises, threats of offshoring and no other jobs that fit my skillsets on site. I saw 31 layoffs in that career, I survived every one of them. Site workforce went from 3200 when I started to 450 when I left. Up here in the sticks there are few opportunities for a semiconductor engineer, I couldn't just go across the street and find a similar paying job, and I was unwilling to move to another state where the semiconductor jobs were. I racked my brain on finding a solution, my job was getting untenable. Earlier, I had partnered with 4 other engineers in the mid 1990s to buy a local venue in the city, we had 260 seats in the upstairs and booked national bands to play about 2-3nights a week. It had a pub downstairs that held about 120 IIRC. I busted ass at work 45-50hrs a week then worked at the bar another +/-40hrs a week. It was hard. The business went broke after about 2 years of operation. I learned a lot from that experience, an education that was worth more than the money I lost. I decided I didn't want any partners in my next business. I didn't want any employees either. I didn't want inventory. I wanted to run and control the whole show. I wanted something that made serious profit and didn't demand too much of my time. I didn't want too much, eh?! Lol!

By the early 2000s there were new subdivisions popping up on my commute to work. Every day it was a reminder of good times in my youth working for my Dad building houses as part of his crew. I knew those developers were making big money developing land. Then it hit me to become a developer. No partners, no employees, big profit, 95% of the work was up front and once completed, the rest was simply sales and marketing.

I found the perfect spot to develop. Location is everything in real estate. I bought 3 parcels of raw woodland (totalling about 100ac on a hill) cheap, contracted a surveyor and other professionals, worked up a subdivision plan, put it through the approval process and had final subdivision approval all on my own dime (everything I had was riding on this). When I went to the bank for an infrastructure loan, the banker was blown away by the project and that I had created the approved subdivision out of pocket. They were very happy to lend me the money for infrastructure. Once the infrastructure was built, all that was left to do was marketing and sales. I selected a friend (ex-coworker laid off engineer who was also an ex-partner at the bar) who went into realty a couple of years earlier and had already established a good business. Together we brainstormed, created an interactive website with pictures of the incredible mountain and water views, designed/printed our own brochures, assembled mailings, etc. It worked out great! I had no partners (I only contracted professionals), no employees, I owned it all. I had the infrastructure loan paid off by the 6th lot sale, the rest was profit. As part of the initial land purchase I had also contracted an abutting 200ac with a 3 year balloon and paid that off early. Plenty of room to build off the success of my subdivision and expand into the future. Now that I'm getting old, I will probably sell that large parcel to another developer, at a huge profit of course, and they will do well with it.

So in essense, I had created the approved subd before I left my engineering career. When I left it was on my timeline, my decision (I felt I couldn't balance the outrageous work demands maintaining my prior level of performance and successfully juggle the subd project simultaneously). That was 20 years ago in June. So I look at it as having retired when I quit. The hard work was completed and have only had to expend a little effort here and there through those years.

Meanwhile 3 years after I quit, my old department was laid off and those guys had to deal with 1.75 to 2hr commutes to find similar work without moving. Meanwhile I only had to meet buyers, sign papers, collect big checks and deposit them. I have no regrets whatsoever. I do miss the technical challenge and bleeding edge of the semiconductor biz, but I don't miss the outrageous schedules, long hours, stagnant wages and no sense of job security.

And if this isn't something worth doing, what would be something else I could look into learning and making a career out of? Preferably in same lone wolf style work that is like trading futures.

Back to your search for a different career. I'd suggest real estate. Become a realtor, learn the ropes, excel at it. Keep your eyes open for every opportunity to make money. You would have to interface with people, mostly on the phone, text, email, showings and closings. Small scale project management with a big check at the end. The upside potential is huge if you are good at it. More millionaires created their wealth through real estate than any other method. Become familiar with your area. When you stumble upon great opportunities, seize them!

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We definitely have overlap. I absolutely have the inclinations and ideas of a generation considerably older than my own.

Real estate would be something I'd totally get behind, if I had remotely even close to the amount of money I would need to start. Being a carpenter I know I could buy, restore and flip a house with very few problems.

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I wasn't flush with money when I started either.

I had my cash savings, I took a 2nd mortgage on my house, I took out 50% of my 401k as a loan. One of the parcels I purchased, the owner offered 20% down, 6% interest, 5 year term financing. I took that offer to conserve cash up front.

At that time some credit card companies were offering 0% /18 month cash advances up to 50% of your limit on some cards. I had a card with a $50k limit (I think someone screwed up and added a zero because my other cards were around a $10k limit). I took out a $20k cash advance on the card. Here's the story behind that. While planning the subdivision plan, I was limited by acreage to a certain number of lots. If I had more acreage, I could have more view lots. I decided I needed 31ac or more to maximize the number of 1.5ac lots in the best mountain/water view area of the subdivision. That $20K credit card advance paid for the 31ac I needed and secured a 3 year balloon contract for the remaining 200ac abutting my project.

Incredibly, that $20K credit card advance allowed me to create over $1M in new view lots! I paid it back on time and avoided any interest payments. I can't help but shake my head and smile every time I think about that!

Like I said, I put all of my eggs in this basket. If it failed, I'd be wiped out. That was great incentive as I managed every aspect of this endeavor. In the time that had I left my job, received the final subdivision approval, had the 1st phase infrastructure in place, had the new lots listed and was waiting for the first lot sale ... I had been making payments on all of these loans. It was close, I was down to my last $12k by the time I closed the first lot sale. I became debt free as quickly as possible, paid off all of these loans before enjoying the fruit of my labor.

It was an amazing experience that changed my life - and I never want to go through that level of desperation, risk and stress again. I made more than enough to fund a good life. I'm getting too old for that level of stress again, I have no kids to leave it to so why take on risk and put myself through another big project. I'm content with what I have. Leaving my job and succeeding writ large gave me the last laugh at all of the naysayers back at the plant too. I was told I became legend there. LMAO!

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Flush? Dude, you already HAD. 50% of a 401k and a 2nd mortgage. That isn't "flush" but you HAD those things.

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It's not worth doing. The statistical offs of beating a simple S&P 500 Index without insider knowledge is negligible. Anyone who can consistently beat it won't teach anyone else for the same reason I wont teach you where I found buried treasure.

As for feeling aimless, I can tell you exactly why that is. Your parents failed to raise you, and your grandparents never bothered to tell you how and why they screwed up in raising one parent and vetting the other. So as far as you're concerned, any major life plans and goals you establish could randomly explode one day for no known reason. Which will make you unbelievably adverse to picking a goal. For much the same reason you're adverse to going for a stroll if you live in a middle of a minefield. Have a no joke talk with them about how and why they screwed up and I bet your aimlessness will vanish.

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It's not worth doing. The statistical offs of beating a simple S&P 500 Index without insider knowledge is negligible. Anyone who can consistently beat it won't teach anyone else for the same reason I wont teach you where I found buried treasure.

This is exactly right.

the woman you described sounds like a bull shit artist. I'm not opposed to you trying to learn stuff. Some people can beat the market, perhaps you'll do OK.

My concern is this woman ripping you off and draining your bank account. If she's charging a few hundred dollars for a class, then it's whatever. If you lose $400 and never make it back I think you'll live. If she's charging thousands and thousands though, you need to run.

There are already lots of traders who explain what they're doing for free.

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She doesn't make money from teaching people what she was taught for free. And I'm talking about futures, not stocks.

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She doesn't make money from teaching people

That sounds fine then. I don't believe it, if I'm being fully honest with you. It does sound OK though.

I believe once you show up in person there will be a reason or some situation where you suddenly need to give someone money.

Remember you're allowed to lie and say you'll give them everything they want when you get paid next Friday, and then just block their numbers after you walk out.

Good luck.

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I know exactly why I'm in the situation I'm in, having the people who raised me and provided for me tell me how they screwed up will help literally nothing.

Isn't the S&P 500 only stocks or do they do futures?

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Stocks

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Yeah, I've no interest in that. Because stocks are too volatile and information is a huge part of that process. Which is why futures is a significantly better option.

Are you talking about Day Trading stocks or something? I have a story for you if you are. I knew a guy who went into a program online to learn day trading, costed like 300$ for the privilege to trade on their platform. He had a coach and everything through that program. Though he spent a good year and a half trying to learn it, he did not learn how to use that program to make money, the stocks were too volitile and he needed to get a job soon that would pay money so he could pay the bills so he wouldnt be kicked out of where he lived. But, he did learn alot about the stock market and can now invest in it when he gets some money saved up, even though he cant daytrade through that program.

You say you're aimless. The best thing to do to not be aimless in my opinion is figure out how you want the future as a whole to look and take steps to procure that future. Is making money going to make you feel less aimless? Will it give you the funds to achieve your goals? is the job the goal or is it what you can do with the money you'r main mission? Are you trying to impress a girl and or start a family? Do you already have your own family?

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Trading futures: Futures are a type of derivative contract agreement to buy or sell a specific commodity asset or security at a set future date for a set price.

Her program is free. She got her education for free and now she passes it on to whoever will take the time to learn what she knows.

You asked some good questions at the end which has caused me to really break down my absolute base goals, needs and desires.

I need money in order to live a life. My job the last 8 months has been dead, the work in my entire area has just dropped off. I need something where I can wake up each day, make a plan or have a plan, and move my life forward. Preferably where I'm not reliant on a team of workers. I've worked hard my entire life, I just need to have the means to build a future I want to live in.

well, thats cool what shes offering is free! That makes it alot more interesting. That would allow you to accomplish your goals. Glad I could help out a little by asking you some questions.

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What area or region are you in

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Arkansas. Why?

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to me, it is a waste of time to learn a trade in a skill which might be a moot point tomorrow. what if our entire economy collapses overnight? in my opinion, you need a skill that is timeless and can survive whatever may come. becoming a general contractor, and unless you are just really horrible at it, you will always make money. you want something that you can pass on to your kids and yes, that needs to be in your plans. we are born to live, fight, have kids, and die. make sure that your dna sees the next one hundred years and make sure that whatever you do, that it is something that you (and your kids) will be proud of. make your money providing a service, not gambling on someone's happiness.

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You can't live like everything can disappear tomorrow. I DID live like for a very long time. It's a terrible way to live. Completely wasteful. You have to live like next week will the the same as next month and next month will be the same as next year.

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