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is a graph of NTSB investigations for Boeing and Airbus with all recorded incidents. Yes, I know I'm "trusting the science" with NTSB. So they have a system called which allows you to query investigations and includes investigations not completed.

Here's a chart since 2015 with total incidents involving Boeing and Airbus with low/high outlier limits. I scaled up the 2024 value for a full year and that last point is a bullshit number. If we believe the bullshit number then Boeing is on track for a normal year and Airbus is on track for a good year.

Anyhow, I have more confidence in Boeing than Airbus based on this. Boeing is generally around 100/year for their fleet without too much upward variation except for 2023. Airbus has three times as many "bad years" in this range, and a bad year for Airbus looks more off of trend than Boeing's single bad year. You have to account for the different fleet sizes - there is not a 1:1 population ratio between Airbus and Boeing. Last I checked the 737-800 was the most common airplane in the sky. This chart does not account for severity - an open cargo door counts as much as a nose-dive into the ocean. Of course you can't have many incidents when the FAA grounds all of your 737-MAX, so who knows.

[Pic related](https://www.imgbly.com/ib/9i3VqzrUQ5.png) is a graph of NTSB investigations for Boeing and Airbus with all recorded incidents. Yes, I know I'm "trusting the science" with NTSB. So they have a system called [CAROL](https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-main-public/landing-page) which allows you to query investigations and includes investigations not completed. Here's a chart since 2015 with total incidents involving Boeing and Airbus with low/high outlier limits. I scaled up the 2024 value for a full year and that last point is a bullshit number. If we believe the bullshit number then Boeing is on track for a normal year and Airbus is on track for a good year. Anyhow, I have more confidence in Boeing than Airbus based on this. Boeing is generally around 100/year for their fleet without too much upward variation except for 2023. Airbus has three times as many "bad years" in this range, and a bad year for Airbus looks more off of trend than Boeing's single bad year. You have to account for the different fleet sizes - there is not a 1:1 population ratio between Airbus and Boeing. Last I checked the 737-800 was the most common airplane in the sky. This chart does not account for severity - an open cargo door counts as much as a nose-dive into the ocean. Of course you can't have many incidents when the FAA grounds all of your 737-MAX, so who knows.

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Yes. Boeing is at the stage where the smart people realize something is about to happen but there's not enough data to show it. It's like the moment when you start to realize there's something wrong with your car but the check engine light hasn't come on yet.