Roblox probably.
Roblox probably.
Get out
Get out
Other than some of the decentralized ones, there aren't any that are not cucked. Even the decentralized ones probably have issues.
Telegram is fine as long as you realize it's for telling your friends "hello," but nothing else.
Other than some of the decentralized ones, there aren't any that are not cucked. Even the decentralized ones probably have issues.
Telegram is fine as long as you realize it's for telling your friends "hello," but nothing else.
Even the decentralized ones probably have issues.
They absolutely do. Telegram, for example, is "decentralized" but every server has to call home to telegram HQ--honeypot.
Element, same story.
If you truly care about private messaging
- If you're using an iphone, give up now. There is no "secure messaging" solution. Can't handle that? Then you care more for convenience than privacy.
- Create a PGP private/public keypair
- Ge the person you want to communicate with to create their own PGP private/public keypair
- Share your public key with your friend, they shared their public with you
- Encrypt messages to your friend using THEIR public key, your friend will use YOUR public key to encrpyt reponses back to you.
- Communicate over literally any medium (eg. email, sms, etc.)
Here's a truly secure SMS app you can use which automates the PGP process for you, over SMS: . (Get your friend to install, then communicate via phone number). This will work forever, until they decomission SMS infrastructure (which will likely never happen)
> Even the decentralized ones probably have issues.
They **absolutely** do. Telegram, for example, is "decentralized" but every server has to call home to telegram HQ--honeypot.
Element, same story.
# If you truly care about private messaging
0. If you're using an iphone, give up now. There is no "secure messaging" solution. Can't handle that? Then you care more for convenience than privacy.
1. Create a PGP private/public keypair
2. Ge the person you want to communicate with to create their own PGP private/public keypair
3. Share your public key with your friend, they shared their public with you
4. Encrypt messages to your friend using THEIR public key, your friend will use YOUR public key to encrpyt reponses back to you.
5. Communicate over literally any medium (eg. email, sms, etc.)
Here's a truly secure SMS app you can use which automates the PGP process for you, over SMS: [silence](https://f-droid.org/packages/org.smssecure.smssecure/). (Get your friend to install, then communicate via phone number). This will work forever, until they decomission SMS infrastructure (which will likely never happen)
best useful tip
@Frosty best useful tip
Telegram isn't decentralized. It has multiple servers that handle the traffic - it's just not one data center in one country doing it all.
Telegram isn't decentralized. It has multiple servers that handle the traffic - it's just not one data center in one country doing it all.
Telegram isn't decentralized. It has multiple servers that handle the traffic
FYI, that is the exact definition of "decentralized". This is part of the confusion people have. The term "decentralized" is thrown around, but the definition includes any service that has more than one node serving content.
"Fully distributed" is what most of us are envisioning when we hear the former term. A fully distributed system is one wherein every node is both the client and the server. (eg. p2p)
All major comms platforms have an SPF wherein all data is ultimately routed back through a central authority.
The platforms which do not suffer this issue are demonized, often made illegal by governments.
> Telegram isn't decentralized. It has multiple servers that handle the traffic
FYI, that is the exact definition of "decentralized". This is part of the confusion people have. The term "decentralized" is thrown around, but the definition includes any service that has more than one node serving content.
"Fully distributed" is what most of us are envisioning when we hear the former term. A fully distributed system is one wherein every node is both the client and the server. (eg. p2p)
All major comms platforms have an SPF wherein all data is ultimately routed back through a central authority.
The platforms which do not suffer this issue are demonized, often made illegal by governments.
I think Signal might be an option
I think Signal might be an option
Signal requires a telephone number and it's mobile-first. If you're somewhere that your mobile device doesn't work for whatever reason, you can't use it because your messages go through that device. Signal provides your telephone number to Twilio for verification, and Twilio has been hacked.
Signal is a known CIA funded project. https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/signal-facing-collapse-after-cia
Signal requires a telephone number and it's mobile-first. If you're somewhere that your mobile device doesn't work for whatever reason, you can't use it because your messages go through that device. Signal provides your telephone number to Twilio for verification, and Twilio has been hacked.
Signal is a known CIA funded project. https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/signal-facing-collapse-after-cia
Nothing on telegram is encrypted, stores everything in plain text on its servers! Holy shit, I never knew it was so bad.
Seems signal uses real encryption and nothing stored on servers. Snowden recommended it.
Nothing on telegram is encrypted, stores everything in plain text on its servers! Holy shit, I never knew it was so bad.
Seems signal uses real encryption and nothing stored on servers. Snowden recommended it.
NOPE. Signal is a honeypot.
Signal was purchased by ex-facebook exec, with a $50 million buy.
All comms go through signal central servers.
If you believe signal is secure, then you must've thought microsoft-owned skype was secure, too.
NOPE. Signal is a honeypot.
Signal was purchased by ex-facebook exec, with a $50 million buy.
All comms go through signal central servers.
If you believe signal is secure, then you must've thought microsoft-owned skype was secure, too.
From what I read, Signal is as good as you'll get. Interesting reading about them, I really thought telegram was good because of the illegal activity there. Signal is far better.
https://usa.kaspersky.com/blog/signal-privacy-security/24980/
From what I read, Signal is as good as you'll get. Interesting reading about them, I really thought telegram was good because of the illegal activity there. Signal is far better.
https://usa.kaspersky.com/blog/signal-privacy-security/24980/
That's it.
That's it.
I'd use Tox but it doesn't have a good command line method. Tox is peer to peer with keys.
I'd use Tox but it doesn't have a good command line method. Tox is peer to peer with keys.
I haven't heard of that one. Nothing seems safe online.
I haven't heard of that one. Nothing seems safe online.
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chaturbate
Element seems pretty good. I’ve heard setting up a server is hell.
Element seems pretty good. I’ve heard setting up a server is hell.
Plus it captures device fingerprints (literally how it determines "if it's you"). Since there is a "call home" in element, it's trivial for them to collect device fingerprint data. If you use your device on literally any open-air service (eg. 99.9% of apps on your phone) then you've exposed your identity. They can tie your activity back to your element chat history and everything else you do on your device. Not just your phone, of course, because if you've "Linked" your element to your desktop or any other device, they now know that's tied to you as well.
Plus it captures device fingerprints (literally how it determines "if it's you"). Since there is a "call home" in element, it's trivial for them to collect device fingerprint data. If you use your device on literally any open-air service (eg. 99.9% of apps on your phone) then you've exposed your identity. They can tie your activity back to your element chat history and everything else you do on your device. Not just your phone, of course, because if you've "Linked" your element to your desktop or any other device, they now know that's tied to you as well.
Well I’m fucked. Oh well, see you all in the gulag.
Well I’m fucked. Oh well, see you all in the gulag.
Don't become apathetic, that's how they win.
The key is to stop giving them information. The less you give out, the better.
With the rise of public-AI, it's more important than ever to restrict flow of information. Not hopeless. it's never hopeless.
[There are alternatives](https://poal.co/s/AskPoal/695545/766355f4-6fd2-4087-9038-c81f07d87fb1) Don't become apathetic, that's how they win.
The key is to stop giving them information. The less you give out, the better.
With the rise of public-AI, it's more important than ever to restrict flow of information. Not hopeless. it's never hopeless.
face to face in a loud crowd.
face to face in a loud crowd.
Some friends and I use . It’s anonymous, end to end encrypted, and apparently runs on a distributed network.
I haven’t tried , but it looks even better. It doesn’t run on iPhones or Macs, but you probably shouldn’t send anything sensitive to those devices anyway.
Some friends and I use [Session](https://getsession.org/). It’s anonymous, end to end encrypted, and apparently runs on a distributed network.
I haven’t tried [Tox](https://tox.chat/), but it looks even better. It doesn’t run on iPhones or Macs, but you probably shouldn’t send anything sensitive to those devices anyway.
wickr was the best. it's EOL for the public partially because so many people were using it to anonymously trade child prons, so you can't register with it anymore.
Signal is currently the best solution as it's ran by a non profit, performs true end-to-end encryption and it's open source. So, if there's a flaw, it will be brought to light. If the signal organization is ever served with a warrant, they can't produce your messages, although they can tell if you are a member as you have to use an actual telephone number in order to register your account.
There's lots of propaganda swirling about signal because the deep state doesn't want you to use it. So, you do you.
wickr was the best. it's EOL for the public partially because so many people were using it to anonymously trade child prons, so you can't register with it anymore.
Signal is currently the best solution as it's ran by a non profit, performs true end-to-end encryption and it's open source. So, if there's a flaw, it will be brought to light. If the signal organization is ever served with a warrant, they can't produce your messages, although they can tell if you are a member as you have to use an actual telephone number in order to register your account.
There's lots of propaganda swirling about signal because the deep state doesn't want you to use it. So, you do you.
Signal is currently the best solution as it's ran by a non profit
"non-profit created by former facebook-exec"
performs true end-to-end encryption
Yeah, and all that "encrypted" traffic is routed through signal central servers. Same was true about skype post-microshaft acquisition--and yet all that "encrypted" traffic was being run through MS servers and decrypted. See FOSDEM 2014 conference where NSA literally explains how the skype acquisition went down.
and it's open source
LOL. The App code is open souce, the server code is not. Everything happening on signal servers (which all your traffic is routed through) is completel proprietary, meaning no one knows what it's actually doing.
It's totally safe and effective, goys!
> Signal is currently the best solution as it's ran by a non profit
"non-profit created by former facebook-exec"
> performs true end-to-end encryption
Yeah, and all that "encrypted" traffic is routed through signal central servers. Same was true about skype post-microshaft acquisition--and yet all that "encrypted" traffic was being run through MS servers and decrypted. See FOSDEM 2014 conference where NSA literally explains how the skype acquisition went down.
> and it's open source
LOL. The App code is open souce, the server code is not. Everything happening on signal servers (which all your traffic is routed through) is completel proprietary, meaning no one knows what it's actually doing.
It's totally safe and effective, goys!
And, you have a better alternative? I’m alol ears.
Because, if you’re using sms, because you’re blackpilled on signal, that’s just dumb. It’s only the best we have at the moment.
And, you have a better alternative? I’m alol ears.
Because, if you’re using sms, because you’re blackpilled on signal, that’s just dumb. It’s only the best we have at the moment.
I do.
You want pretty colors and smooth corners. You won't accept the time-tested modes of private comms.
Get mad.
I do. [I already posted it](https://poal.co/s/AskPoal/695545/766355f4-6fd2-4087-9038-c81f07d87fb1)
You want pretty colors and smooth corners. You won't accept the time-tested modes of private comms.
Get mad.
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