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I'm aware matrilineal descent matters to Conservative and Orthodox Jews, but why do people in our circles care? Israel's right of return goes by grandparents and most Jews in the Western media, entertainment, academia,and white-collar work are secular. I've never seen anyone less worried if there was a Jewish father and European mother, so why bring it up at all? It's not magic, it's just the best an ancient people lacking paternity tests could do.

I'm aware matrilineal descent matters to Conservative and Orthodox Jews, but why do people in our circles care? Israel's right of return goes by grandparents and most Jews in the Western media, entertainment, academia,and white-collar work are secular. I've never seen anyone less worried if there was a Jewish father and European mother, so why bring it up at all? It's not magic, it's just the best an ancient people lacking paternity tests could do.

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Why are you introducing orthodox jews into this?

They were always part of my question. I mentioned them.

Are you trying to muddy the conversation by doing so?

The conversation I started? Maybe. My moods shift.

There's three religious groups of jews: secular/atheist, jew and orthodox.

Is a word missing?

All three share characteristics of the jewish phenotype, and therefore, genetically jewish.

So then you see my point it's weird for gentiles to act like having a Jewish mother is more significant than a Jewish father because it doesn't make much genetic difference.

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So then you see my point it's weird for gentiles to act like having a Jewish mother is more significant than a Jewish father because it doesn't make much genetic difference.

Except for the fact their "holy" books state you are only jewish if your mother is jewish. Don't think to much about this, we are talking about a group that thinks if they do something inside a wire in NYC, their god can't see them committing sins on the sabbath.

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That would only matter to religious Jews (and really Orthodox and maybe Conservative more than Reform), but most Jews aren't religious. Why do some Christians/Poalrs/Groypers/Dissident Rightists act like that rule has any meaning?