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Like as an open question can you guys tell me about the Holodomor and USS Liberty as your perspective.

Some guys speak about the Holodomor being a Ukrainian Famine - my understanding was it was more to do with the Gulags.

And some other dude was trying to argue that in the USS Liberty, the US was on uncertain terms with Israel already and that's why Israel attacked the US ship but the reason the US didn't respond was because the US wanted to stay in the good graces of the UK and France where it wouldn't if it responded to the attacks from Israel (this being before the US was considered a "Super power")

Like as an open question can you guys tell me about the Holodomor and USS Liberty as your perspective. Some guys speak about the Holodomor being a Ukrainian Famine - my understanding was it was more to do with the Gulags. And some other dude was trying to argue that in the USS Liberty, the US was on uncertain terms with Israel already and that's why Israel attacked the US ship but the reason the US didn't respond was because the US wanted to stay in the good graces of the UK and France where it wouldn't if it responded to the attacks from Israel (this being before the US was considered a "Super power")

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I'm not quite there yet...

I'm still around the "What content is intentional BS (government propaganda, or lies), incompetent BS (fictions or lies described as misinformation), or legitimate information."

Mainstream news is hit or miss and I try to be careful of what I reference because the people I speak to tend to "believe" Mainstream media and I try to articulate the problems in the mainstream reporting. Generally that's why I like legitimate sources rather than some article referencing another article creating a circle of articles all referencing each other like a massive journalist circle-jerk creating fictional truths by sheer mass of reporting rather than legitimate facts.