Like as an open question can you guys tell me about the Holodomor and USS Liberty as your perspective. Some guys speak about the Holodomor being a Ukrainian Famine - my understanding was it was more to do with the Gulags. And some other dude was trying to argue that in the USS Liberty, the US was on uncertain terms with Israel already and that's why Israel attacked the US ship but the reason the US didn't respond was because the US wanted to stay in the good graces of the UK and France where it wouldn't if it responded to the attacks from Israel (this being before the US was considered a "Super power")