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[–] 9 pts

Abundance. Same problem that we have with sugar. Tobacco was a luxury, so you couldn't smoke it all day every day. More exposure to carcinogens means more cancer.

And those fiberglass filters probably don't help, either.

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Everybody always forgets or ignores something that changed in the environment after WW2. All the above ground nuclear weapon testing that was done by the US and other nuclear nations put a lot of long lasting radionuclides into the air, water and soil. Those radionuclides entered our bodies and food and water supply. Radioactive particles, especially in micro- and nano-forms will cause cancer in the body by long term, close range exposure. It's easy to blame tobacco and other carcinogens, but I guarantee you the radioactive contamination of everything is the likely cause of much of the cancers we see now. It's bad shit and we put it everywhere, including tobacco plants.

BTW, the cigarette filters are made of cellulose fibers not fiberglass.

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In general bad things in the lungs are more harmful than in the gut. They can more easily enter the blood through the lungs, and dust collects so if radioactive it keeps exposing the lung cells to it.

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Million percent. I was recently discussing this with someone, trying to make the point there have been hundreds if not thousands of nuclear blasts on this planet. Above ground, at ground, below ground... in water- sheeeeit.

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The radioactive half life is only like 35 years, I thought.

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The radioactive half life is only like 35 years, I thought.

That depends on the particular radionuclides that are created during the blast. Some radionuclides will have very short half lives while others will have much longer half lives. Also, half life means how much time must past for the radioactivity to reduce by half. That means that a 35 year half life would cut the radioactivity by half in 35 years and in another 35 years it's one quarter as radioactive as its initial radioactivity. A 35 years half life radionuclide would still be radioactive for a long time and, in close proximity to your soft tissues, the amount of radioactivity will fuck you up over the years.

Dose over time and proximity to the source determine what happens to your body. You can live unharmed with the very small amount of Americium-141 in your smoke detector that is on the ceiling in your home, but put that same amount of Americium-141 inside your body and you'll definitely get very sick and die very soon. These radionuclides, no matter how active they are, are inside us all and causing trouble for us. This is what makes them dangerous and the likely cause of many modern cancers. All other carcinogens only add to the problems here.

[–] 8 pts

The New England Journal of Medicine had an article on in 1891. That means they were aware of cancer back then. Maybe we have always had it, we just gave it a name in the 1800’s. We’ve had parasites since the beginnings of life, so the cancer causing ones have probably been around for a long time.

[–] 6 pts

Here's a piece of anecdata that points to the pay the piper toll of tobacco abuse: Ulysses S Grant smoked stogies like a coal fired freight train and died of throat cancer at 63.

[–] 3 pts

His alcohol consumption probably hurt him as much as the cigars.

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His autobiography Grant is imminently readable.

[–] 4 pts

nope. cancer was alive and well all the way back in the good old days. But people didn't realize at people were dying from cancer, you just died from a sickness. Cancer is just abnormal cell growth in the human body due to some toxicity in the body, the food we eat, the liquid we drink and the lack of sun we get all is the cause of cancer. That and fucking sugar. Fuck cancer.

[–] 2 pts

Cells growing out of control happens a lot. Your body eliminates such cells. Cancer is when such a cell finds a way to beat the system. For example, one method is the fake ID where it passes as a healthy cell but isn't.

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At first I thought you were referring to another thing that's growing without restraint by beating the system.

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If you are getting subclinical infections and repairing your body faster than someone who is less, then chances are you will develop cancer faster. Age plays a role too, as cancer-suppressing genes get less proeminent and new cells cant keep up.

[–] 2 pts

Cancer is just abnormal cell growth in the human body

Bingo. It's an inherent problem in things that constantly copy themselves and are subject to error in copying. Some copies will not have the usual growth limiter intact so will grow without restraint. That's bad. It's not some parasite or illness. Tough, .

[–] 2 pts

They didn’t even know what TB was back then much less able to identify cancer when people passed away from it.

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Just as a data point, in general, modern tobacco is not yesterday's tobacco. Hundreds of chemicals are plied on most modern tobacco products under the guise of flavor, anti mold and mildew, preservatives, and so on. Many of which are known to increase addictiveness and toxicity.

While I'm sure there are tobacco products available today which is strictly tobacco, these are by far not the readily available, general consumer tobacco products.

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Weren't American abbos big users of tabacco? I wonder if they had problems with cancers...of course they smoked small amounts and modern humans smoke like chimneys. I've seen lungs of heavy smokers and they are gross.

[–] 2 pts

They died of dysentery and everything else. Cancer is a disease of a clean, healthy environment where you dont die at 30 of an infected scratch or a toothache.

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Majority of cancers are the result of contamination of the jewish polio vaccine where they knowingly distributed it with cancer causing virus SV-40. It is sexually transmitted too.

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Cancer didn't exist. TB used to be what we called it, and plenty died from TB.

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Two completely different pathogens. TB is caused by an actual bacillus, cancer may be caused by viruses or exposure to something that triggers oncogenes in the body.

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Lung issues were as common, though.

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