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I assume most people here are gainfully employed. Many are in a trade or skilled profession that no one could just walk on and start doing without significant training.

And yet...

A lot of you are clearly just low IQ. I know because I talk with you in the comments here on Poal and I read the things you say and poke at the reasoning you use to justify those opinions. The takes are bad and the thought process behind them is even worse in many cases.

But many of the low IQ people here seem to carry themselves as if their opinion is important and carries weight. Do you think it's possible that being useful in the production of some kind of goods and services, being skilled, gives these people an inflated sense of their own mental abilities?

Keep in mind it doesn't necessarily take great intelligence to be a skilled laborer. There is a lot of training, systems, repetition, that helps skilled workers achieve good results. And most people working in skilled fields still need to be managed. Even in cases where the pay is high, the marketability of the skill doesn't necessarily need to correlate with high intellect.

I'm not trying to insult anyone specifically or downplay the need for skilled labor (which we are desperate for and is waning rapidly in western countries).

I'm just wondering if doing skilled work creates an inflated sense of intelligence and if this might not be a big factor in the interaction between industrial society and social media.

What are you thoughts?

tl;dr A lot of you are dumbasses. Do you think having a job makes you feel smarter than you are?
I assume most people here are gainfully employed. Many are in a trade or skilled profession that no one could just walk on and start doing without significant training. And yet... **A lot of you are clearly just low IQ.** I know because I talk with you in the comments here on Poal and I read the things you say and poke at the reasoning you use to justify those opinions. The takes are bad and the thought process behind them is even worse in many cases. But many of the low IQ people here seem to carry themselves as if their opinion is important and carries weight. Do you think it's possible that being useful in the production of some kind of goods and services, being *skilled*, gives these people an inflated sense of their own mental abilities? Keep in mind it doesn't necessarily take great intelligence to be a skilled laborer. There is a lot of training, systems, repetition, that helps skilled workers achieve good results. And most people working in skilled fields still need to be managed. Even in cases where the pay is high, the marketability of the skill doesn't necessarily need to correlate with high intellect. I'm not trying to insult anyone specifically or downplay the need for skilled labor (which we are desperate for and is waning rapidly in western countries). I'm just wondering if doing skilled work creates an inflated sense of intelligence and if this might not be a big factor in the interaction between industrial society and social media. What are you thoughts? #####tl;dr A lot of you are dumbasses. Do you think having a job makes you feel smarter than you are?

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[–] • 10 pts (edited )

Don't kid yourself. There's plenty of dumbshit opinions to go around, whether your hands get dirty during the day or not. At least people that work with their hands don't believe that they innately are superior to those who don't.

As for who has more gray matter at their disposal, you should know it takes no small amount of intellect to be a machinist or a fabricator, to troubleshoot a hydraulic or pneumatic system, find the electrical fault in a control circuit for fuel delivery or torque distribution, or resolve a first or second order vibration in a turbine. Your offhand discount of the opinions of people who produce things shows maybe you don't think through things very well yourself.

The conclusions you've reached in this matter are flawed based on false assumptions. I propose you review those contentions and reevaluate your proofs. It is just as likely that the "dumbass" you think you are correcting works with spreadsheets or market data as much as choosing which welding rod or polishing grit to use to complete their tasks throughout their day. You should accept or reject statements based on their own merit, not based on the uniform worn by the offeror during their work day.

[–] • 3 pts

Yeah, I admire all those professionals you mentioned. You need those people. They are experts in their field and people rely on their competence. We owe modern society to that kind of person.

Here are the IQ averages for varying professions, according to some source that may or may not be right:

https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx

[–] • 3 pts

I don't believe that fallacy follows IQ. I find it more correlates to the discipline of scrutiny; i.e., the rigor of evaluating bias, association (manipulation), and weasel words. Why did this person say what they said: is it a statement for or against interest, who may influence this person, and what was actually said (or more importantly what was not said)? This isn't a lack of processing power so much as a lack of effort.

I can show you many smart IQ people who hear and repeat something they hear with no scrutiny whatsoever and sound like morons to the skeptical ear. I can also show you many trades educated people who can spot bullshit a mile away, mostly through self-discipline and experience, no IQ standing required.

I like poal because of its members' skepticism. That is the first step to truth. Socrates thought so, too. So if I am with a group who follows one of the most proven methods of discourse and debate to determine the truth, because we all challenge each other through a Socratic-like "your mother" contest, then I am keeping very good company. What we all do for a living is irrelevant.

[–] • 2 pts

A lot of what you're describing in the first paragraph are functions of intelligence.

I also like the general culture of skepticism here on Poal. But I've noticed in many cases the skeptical people here are not good at evaluating bias, weasel words, modeling a theory of mind, etc. Even simple things like evaluating sources evade the lower functioning people here.

For those people, the kneejerk reaction to skepticism is as powerful as the average redditors kneejerk reaction to trust and defend the system. Talk to some people here about current events and notice how, to some, everything is "all part of the plan". 'Heads (((they))) win, tails we lose.' No event ever happens on its own. Everything is the result of a Jewish conspiracy and even seemingly good things are engineered to undermine us. In some cases events are fake, of course. But you can see with many people here that it's a heuristic that applies to everything, regardless of reality. They are too dumb to think complex things through, so they apply the heuristic instead.

Oh yeah, and then there were all the Q people. They've gone a little quieter lately, but they're all still around. Same thing as the example above. A heuristic they notably continued to apply even when it became painfully obvious it wasn't attached to reality.

[–] • 1 pt

So if I am with a group who follows one of the most proven methods of discourse and debate to determine the truth, because we all challenge each other through a Socratic-like "your mother" contest, then I am keeping very good company.

Socrates would have approved.

[–] • 1 pt

as an addendum:

> second order vibration

The source of my madness.