Show us on your Gender Studies Degree where the Skilled Workers hurt you.
Show us on your Gender Studies Degree where the Skilled Workers hurt you.
Cope more nigger
##### Cope more nigger
Don't kid yourself. There's plenty of dumbshit opinions to go around, whether your hands get dirty during the day or not. At least people that work with their hands don't believe that they innately are superior to those who don't.
As for who has more gray matter at their disposal, you should know it takes no small amount of intellect to be a machinist or a fabricator, to troubleshoot a hydraulic or pneumatic system, find the electrical fault in a control circuit for fuel delivery or torque distribution, or resolve a first or second order vibration in a turbine. Your offhand discount of the opinions of people who produce things shows maybe you don't think through things very well yourself.
The conclusions you've reached in this matter are flawed based on false assumptions. I propose you review those contentions and reevaluate your proofs. It is just as likely that the "dumbass" you think you are correcting works with spreadsheets or market data as much as choosing which welding rod or polishing grit to use to complete their tasks throughout their day. You should accept or reject statements based on their own merit, not based on the uniform worn by the offeror during their work day.
Don't kid yourself. There's plenty of dumbshit opinions to go around, whether your hands get dirty during the day or not. At least people that work with their hands don't believe that they innately are superior to those who don't.
As for who has more gray matter at their disposal, you should know it takes no small amount of intellect to be a machinist or a fabricator, to troubleshoot a hydraulic or pneumatic system, find the electrical fault in a control circuit for fuel delivery or torque distribution, or resolve a first or second order vibration in a turbine. Your offhand discount of the opinions of people who produce things shows maybe you don't think through things very well yourself.
The conclusions you've reached in this matter are flawed based on false assumptions. I propose you review those contentions and reevaluate your proofs. It is just as likely that the "dumbass" you think you are correcting works with spreadsheets or market data as much as choosing which welding rod or polishing grit to use to complete their tasks throughout their day. You should accept or reject statements based on their own merit, not based on the uniform worn by the offeror during their work day.
Yeah, I admire all those professionals you mentioned. You need those people. They are experts in their field and people rely on their competence. We owe modern society to that kind of person.
Here are the IQ averages for varying professions, according to some source that may or may not be right:
Yeah, I admire all those professionals you mentioned. You need those people. They are experts in their field and people rely on their competence. We owe modern society to that kind of person.
Here are the IQ averages for varying professions, according to some source that may or may not be right:
https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx
I don't believe that fallacy follows IQ. I find it more correlates to the discipline of scrutiny; i.e., the rigor of evaluating bias, association (manipulation), and weasel words. Why did this person say what they said: is it a statement for or against interest, who may influence this person, and what was actually said (or more importantly what was not said)? This isn't a lack of processing power so much as a lack of effort.
I can show you many smart IQ people who hear and repeat something they hear with no scrutiny whatsoever and sound like morons to the skeptical ear. I can also show you many trades educated people who can spot bullshit a mile away, mostly through self-discipline and experience, no IQ standing required.
I like poal because of its members' skepticism. That is the first step to truth. Socrates thought so, too. So if I am with a group who follows one of the most proven methods of discourse and debate to determine the truth, because we all challenge each other through a Socratic-like "your mother" contest, then I am keeping very good company. What we all do for a living is irrelevant.
I don't believe that fallacy follows IQ. I find it more correlates to the discipline of scrutiny; i.e., the rigor of evaluating bias, association (manipulation), and weasel words. Why did this person say what they said: is it a statement for or against interest, who may influence this person, and what was actually said (or more importantly what was not said)? This isn't a lack of processing power so much as a lack of effort.
I can show you many smart IQ people who hear and repeat something they hear with no scrutiny whatsoever and sound like morons to the skeptical ear. I can also show you many trades educated people who can spot bullshit a mile away, mostly through self-discipline and experience, no IQ standing required.
I like poal because of its members' skepticism. That is the first step to truth. Socrates thought so, too. So if I am with a group who follows one of the most proven methods of discourse and debate to determine the truth, because we all challenge each other through a Socratic-like "your mother" contest, then I am keeping very good company. What we all do for a living is irrelevant.
A lot of what you're describing in the first paragraph are functions of intelligence.
I also like the general culture of skepticism here on Poal. But I've noticed in many cases the skeptical people here are not good at evaluating bias, weasel words, modeling a theory of mind, etc. Even simple things like evaluating sources evade the lower functioning people here.
For those people, the kneejerk reaction to skepticism is as powerful as the average redditors kneejerk reaction to trust and defend the system. Talk to some people here about current events and notice how, to some, everything is "all part of the plan". 'Heads (((they))) win, tails we lose.' No event ever happens on its own. Everything is the result of a Jewish conspiracy and even seemingly good things are engineered to undermine us. In some cases events are fake, of course. But you can see with many people here that it's a heuristic that applies to everything, regardless of reality. They are too dumb to think complex things through, so they apply the heuristic instead.
Oh yeah, and then there were all the Q people. They've gone a little quieter lately, but they're all still around. Same thing as the example above. A heuristic they notably continued to apply even when it became painfully obvious it wasn't attached to reality.
A lot of what you're describing in the first paragraph are functions of intelligence.
I also like the general culture of skepticism here on Poal. But I've noticed in many cases the skeptical people here are not good at evaluating bias, weasel words, modeling a theory of mind, etc. Even simple things like evaluating sources evade the lower functioning people here.
For those people, the kneejerk reaction to skepticism is as powerful as the average redditors kneejerk reaction to trust and defend the system. Talk to some people here about current events and notice how, to some, everything is "all part of the plan". 'Heads (((they))) win, tails we lose.' No event ever happens on its own. Everything is the result of a Jewish conspiracy and even seemingly good things are engineered to undermine us. In some cases events are fake, of course. But you can see with many people here that it's a heuristic that applies to everything, regardless of reality. They are too dumb to think complex things through, so they apply the heuristic instead.
Oh yeah, and then there were all the Q people. They've gone a little quieter lately, but they're all still around. Same thing as the example above. A heuristic they notably continued to apply even when it became painfully obvious it wasn't attached to reality.
So if I am with a group who follows one of the most proven methods of discourse and debate to determine the truth, because we all challenge each other through a Socratic-like "your mother" contest, then I am keeping very good company.
Socrates would have approved.
> So if I am with a group who follows one of the most proven methods of discourse and debate to determine the truth, because we all challenge each other through a **Socratic-like "your mother" contest**, then I am keeping very good company.
Socrates would have approved.
as an addendum:
> second order vibration
The source of my madness.
as an addendum:
>> second order vibration
The source of my madness.
tl;dr A lot of you are dumbasses. Do you think having a job makes you feel smarter than you are?
Yes!
> #####tl;dr A lot of you are dumbasses. Do you think having a job makes you feel smarter than you are?
##### Yes!
On its own, no. Success in skilled work doesn't imbue people with an inflated ego.
The people who already had big egos were like that before they took those jobs.
On its own, no. Success in skilled work doesn't imbue people with an inflated ego.
The people who already had big egos were like that before they took those jobs.
Yep, this post is subtle low hanging bait.
It's like opining a completely self sufficient homesteader is actually 'someone with an over inflated ego because he does it all on his own.'
Yep, this post is subtle low hanging bait.
It's like opining a completely self sufficient homesteader is actually 'someone with an over inflated ego because he does it all on his own.'
Yeah, you can usually see it before they "become skilled". I am sure everyone has worked with someone or for someone that got a promotion and immediately turned into a power hungry shithead right after.
Not the same thing but that tendency was there before they got the power, it just came out more when they gained power/status.
Yeah, you can usually see it before they "become skilled". I am sure everyone has worked with someone or for someone that got a promotion and immediately turned into a power hungry shithead right after.
Not the same thing but that tendency was there before they got the power, it just came out more when they gained power/status.
You sound like you enjoy Rick and Morty.
You sound like you enjoy Rick and Morty.
I thought season 1 was good.
I thought season 1 was good.
I've met some construction workers who hold themselves with pride and dignity, but often joke about their own intellect lacking. I've also met construction workers who are insulted by someone elses intellect.
Ex1: "I don't need to be smart to know how to weld."
Ex2: "I can pick this house up off its foundation, put it on dollies and get the permits to move the house through the city at night, but you better stop trying to make me look stupid by using big words. Try to stick to four letters if you want us to take you seriously."
But I dont think your concerns are limited to skilled trades. I know someone's grand folks who worked hard their whole life and earned a modest fortune from knowing how to run a business. These people are classy, highly social, know how to talk to people and win arguments every time. But, they dont have a clue about anything, somehow, at the same time.
A grandkid told them "construction workers are overworked and under paid. We are losing our workforce because no one wants to abuse their bodies for that level of compensation when they could do just about any other job for similar, same, or better pay and hours." Their response "Well, if they don't like living in the USA they can move to a different country." these people are emotionally moved by Hallmark movies, and take cinema far more seriously than the actual lives of their family members, although they do love their family.
Anyways, I know I'm not that bright. I was a woman who fell for feminist propaganda and went into construction for the money and life experience. Pretty fun, awesome, and hardwork. Met alot of cool people, not all the brightest, but it is important to hold yourself with pride and dignity as a working man on a jobsite for a number of reasons. While many have a low IQ, they generally have a similar moral compass. One of the easiest things to conceptualize is that having a job, earning a living, paying for a house and family makes you a good person, and deserves a certain amount of respect. You also get the bonus of self respect, the ability to look at yourself and not be disgusted by what you see. You don't need a high IQ for self respect, but people of low enough IQ will not fully understand this and take it too far, not accounting for what they dont know. Those guys can grow up to be pretentious bastards with more judgments and opinions than sense.
(edited paragraph) One of the smartest men i knew was going to lose alot more than he bargained for because he wouldnt get a job for a while.
Not all construction workers I've met claimed to be particularly intelligent, but would hold themselves up with pride and self worth because they could take care of their friends and family. Self worth is sometimes confused as intelligence by low IQ individuals which leads to them opening their mouths and having opinions. Some people have high IQ's and are not a productive member of society.
I would rather hang out and talk to a low IQ individual with a job and self worth than I would a blackpilled person with a high IQ with no job and future.
(edit to add:) I have also met plenty of very intelligent, high IQ, high functioning men who work in construction, sometimes even in low IQ jobs. Construction is a bag of mixed nuts.
I've met some construction workers who hold themselves with pride and dignity, but often joke about their own intellect lacking. I've also met construction workers who are insulted by someone elses intellect.
Ex1: "I don't need to be smart to know how to weld."
Ex2: "I can pick this house up off its foundation, put it on dollies and get the permits to move the house through the city at night, but you better stop trying to make me look stupid by using big words. Try to stick to four letters if you want us to take you seriously."
But I dont think your concerns are limited to skilled trades. I know someone's grand folks who worked hard their whole life and earned a modest fortune from knowing how to run a business. These people are classy, highly social, know how to talk to people and win arguments every time. But, they dont have a clue about anything, somehow, at the same time.
A grandkid told them "construction workers are overworked and under paid. We are losing our workforce because no one wants to abuse their bodies for that level of compensation when they could do just about any other job for similar, same, or better pay and hours."
Their response "Well, if they don't like living in the USA they can move to a different country." these people are emotionally moved by Hallmark movies, and take cinema far more seriously than the actual lives of their family members, although they do love their family.
Anyways, I know I'm not that bright. I was a woman who fell for feminist propaganda and went into construction for the money and life experience. Pretty fun, awesome, and hardwork. Met alot of cool people, not all the brightest, but it is important to hold yourself with pride and dignity as a working man on a jobsite for a number of reasons. While many have a low IQ, they generally have a similar moral compass. One of the easiest things to conceptualize is that having a job, earning a living, paying for a house and family makes you a good person, and deserves a certain amount of respect. You also get the bonus of self respect, the ability to look at yourself and not be disgusted by what you see. You don't need a high IQ for self respect, but people of low enough IQ will not fully understand this and take it too far, not accounting for what they dont know. Those guys can grow up to be pretentious bastards with more judgments and opinions than sense.
(edited paragraph) One of the smartest men i knew was going to lose alot more than he bargained for because he wouldnt get a job for a while.
Not all construction workers I've met claimed to be particularly intelligent, but would hold themselves up with pride and self worth because they could take care of their friends and family. Self worth is sometimes confused as intelligence by low IQ individuals which leads to them opening their mouths and having opinions. Some people have high IQ's and are not a productive member of society.
I would rather hang out and talk to a low IQ individual with a job and self worth than I would a blackpilled person with a high IQ with no job and future.
(edit to add:) I have also met plenty of very intelligent, high IQ, high functioning men who work in construction, sometimes even in low IQ jobs. Construction is a bag of mixed nuts.
Yeah I agree that IQ isn't the be all and end all. And you're right about the level of variance. Especially in manual labor fields, because some people just like to move.
Yeah I agree that IQ isn't the be all and end all. And you're right about the level of variance. Especially in manual labor fields, because some people just like to move.
true, i saw my future as a cute secretary sitting at a desk getting fat and lazy and i shuddered at thinking i would have to sit still, be polite and keep a fresh wardrobe. That weird view I had of the future as a kid drove me to want something other than sitting at a desk all day.
true, i saw my future as a cute secretary sitting at a desk getting fat and lazy and i shuddered at thinking i would have to sit still, be polite and keep a fresh wardrobe. That weird view I had of the future as a kid drove me to want something other than sitting at a desk all day.
Or...we disagree and/or you're a fag. High IQ answer.
Or...we disagree and/or you're a fag. High IQ answer.
Found the arrogant redditor.
Found the arrogant redditor.
it doesn't necessarily take great intelligence to be a skilled laborer
Agreed. I've met doctors who are dumb as rocks. Many times we make the mistake that someone who is "intelligent" or "skilled" at something complex, is invariably also skilled at everything else.
A lot of you are dumbasses. Do you think having a job makes you feel smarter than you are?
This is a stupid question. You're claiming that many poal fags are low IQ (agreed, that is most of us in general), then asking those low IQ individuals to admit that they are low IQ's who inflate their own self-worth via their skilled job.
The quickest way to ignorance is believing yourself smart. Which, by this post, you're claiming you are.
> it doesn't necessarily take great intelligence to be a skilled laborer
Agreed. I've met doctors who are dumb as rocks. Many times we make the mistake that someone who is "intelligent" or "skilled" at something complex, is invariably also skilled at everything else.
> A lot of you are dumbasses. Do you think having a job makes you feel smarter than you are?
This is a stupid question. You're claiming that many poal fags are low IQ (agreed, that is most of us in general), then asking those low IQ individuals to admit that they are low IQ's who inflate their own self-worth via their skilled job.
The quickest way to ignorance is believing yourself smart. Which, by this post, you're claiming you are.
Doctors and the professional class are also a good example of this ego inflation phenomenon than tradespeople. The reason I went with the latter is that a lot more people on here can probably relate. Also, because the IQs of tradespeople are on average comparatively lower than that of the professional class, ego inflation from "work that actually makes something" might be greater in proportion.
Come to think of it, I remember seeing some by profession that found doctors and other professional class people are not as smart as they probably think they are. Average for doctor was like 120. But even though the average is higher than that of, say, metalworkers, they are still insanely vulnerable to overestimating themselves. And again, these people are all propped up by systems, technology, field-specific training, support staff, management, etc. Yet they thought every person who question the clot shot was an idiot because their immense minds couldn't possibly be wrong about blindly following their pharma instructions. Oops!
As for me, I drive a forklift for work and believe myself to be somewhere near the high end of the midwit (my phone refuses to write this word) range of IQ. I've never taken a professionally administered IQ test so it's possible I'm dumber or smarter than that.
But that's neither here nor there. If your IQ is 100 (dead average), you're smarter than 50% of people. So it's not necessarily especially conceited to observe dumb people.
Especially after the Voat migration event (aka faggening).
Doctors and the professional class are also a good example of this ego inflation phenomenon than tradespeople. The reason I went with the latter is that a lot more people on here can probably relate. Also, because the IQs of tradespeople are on average comparatively lower than that of the professional class, ego inflation from "work that actually makes something" might be greater in proportion.
Come to think of it, I remember seeing some [IQ data](https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx) by profession that found doctors and other professional class people are not as smart as they probably think they are. Average for doctor was like 120. But even though the average is higher than that of, say, metalworkers, they are still insanely vulnerable to overestimating themselves. And again, these people are all propped up by systems, technology, field-specific training, support staff, management, etc. Yet they thought every person who question the clot shot was an idiot because their immense minds couldn't possibly be wrong about blindly following their pharma instructions. Oops!
As for me, I drive a forklift for work and believe myself to be somewhere near the high end of the midwit (my phone refuses to write this word) range of IQ. I've never taken a professionally administered IQ test so it's possible I'm dumber or smarter than that.
But that's neither here nor there. If your IQ is 100 (dead average), you're smarter than 50% of people. So it's not necessarily especially conceited to observe dumb people.
Especially after the Voat migration event (aka faggening).
Does success in skilled work imbue people with an inflated sense of self-worth?
Yes. Probably because they have more self worth.
> Does success in skilled work imbue people with an inflated sense of self-worth?
Yes. Probably because they have more self worth.
I should have said intelligence here instead of self-worth. That's really what I'm driving at.
I should have said intelligence here instead of self-worth. That's really what I'm driving at.
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