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Wildfires burn hot and fast. Thick, water rich tree trunks dont burn nearly as well as cars.

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water rich tree trunks dont burn nearly as well as cars

And the reason is that the water boils at a relatively low temperature thus it dissipates the heat until it's dry.

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Lahaina is usually dry, they get about an inch of rain per month, unlike the rainforest a bit North/East (they filmed parts of Jurassic Park there) where there is rain pretty much daily, quite often raining more than once per day.

Lahaina feels more like a desert town than the rainforest of Io Valley which occupies most of that part of the Island.

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Look at where it happened, come on man. Have you seen the pics?

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Yep, no prob, except for the trees that are burning from the inside out again ?...

not to mention the incredibly flammable interior. the cushioning in the seats, when burning, can get hot enough to melt steel.

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And the tires too. Tire fires 2500F, aluminum melts at 1200F.

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They also happen to have gas in them

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Gasoline burns far too cold to melt aluminum.

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There is so much about this fire that doesn't add up.

The big thing to keep track of is who ends up with land and/or is allowed to put up new buildings that aren't just rebuilds. Lahaina was basically all declared heritage, so the buildings had to remain pretty much as they were. In one day, "oh no, the entire town burned down, now we have to rebuild". It is a Liberal rum state, so there is bound to be some big corruption coming up with this. Hell, there are already reports of donated food and water going being nowhere to ve found by the people who need it.

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Yep, in a year or two another conspiracy theory will be true

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follow the land (money)

Yep.

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There are videos of people with truckloads of supplies being denied access because they are not "government approved relief".

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Bill Gates and/or the Chinese. makes sense for the chinks, buy it as farmland and now you have a foothold in the US's pacific theater.

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Must have had some of that magical jewish jet fuel sprinkled on them.

Oh, by the way, jews did 9-11 in order to start a war for israel in the middle east and have our White young men fight it for them, all while funneling our tax money to their defense companies, normies.

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Yeah, many reasons here. Im surprised I havent read all about it here.

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Rubber tire start burning at 750F and when burning can reach temperatures of 1300F which is more than enough to melt aluminum which melts at 1220F

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Tires burn hot. Add a strong wind and they burn hotter. Aluminum melts at 1220F IIRC. without a wind assist. Can this cause them to melt rims, IDK.

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Trees are full of water. I burn my farm all the time my trees never burn, fire goes all around them. That doesn't mean this whole incident isn't suspicious.

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Serious question, why do you burn your farm all the time?

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To keep wooden structures on my property from burning during a wildfire. I live at the bottom of the Ozarks. Preventive maintenance. Plus we own a tree company and have to burn off massive piles of wood.

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Fireproofing your home through controlled burns?

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Trees are full of water

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lol, and whats the melting point of aluminum? Dont answer I know but it sure the fuck will burn a tree.

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the water evaporating out of the trees take heat away from the tree itself. aluminum is a consistent metal that absorbs/conducts heat and has nowhere to discharge that heat, so it just absorbs until its state changes to liquid.

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That is not how it works. When the aluminum reaches the temperature of the fire it no longer absorbes more heat. The fire itself is limited by how fast it can burn because of oxygen scarcity. The hot gasses carry heat away constantly. The max heat is determined by how fast the fuel and oxygen can create heat before it is carried away. Outside a furnace it gets carried away very quickly.

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allright man. So you think that shit was real? Somewhere the rich have been trying to buy and make their own. And none of their land was affected.

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Aluminum melting point is 1220°F

Wood heats up to approximately 212°F evaporating the moisture in it. Wood solids starts to break down converting the fuel gases near 575°F From 575°F to 1100°F the main energy in the wood is released when fuel vapors containing 40% to 60% of the energy burn and only charcoal remains burning at temperatures higher than 1100°F

Aluminum has a melting point of approximately 1220°F Nearby trees don't burn.

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I didnt think people here were retarded, yall need to look more into this 'fire'

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Yeah, this is retarded. I don't remember ever seeing melted rims before the recent California fires. I would think there would be some old pictures but I couldn't find any. Everyone seems to think this is normal.

People are fixated on what burned and what didn’t, when the overall intensity and speed of the fire as a whole is what is extremely suspicious.

It’s like they created an open air blast furnace.

There are multiple facets to this. Long and short term weather manipulation, fire seeding through combustible nano particulate soft metals in the soils, direct energy synchronized ignitions.

This is all part of the big plan.

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I just want to throw one important bit of information into this discussion in order to help make the discussion more realistic:

Aluminum wheels are actually aluminum alloy wheels. There is more than just aluminum in the wheel and alloys of multiple metals change the melting point properties of the alloy. It is not known what the aluminum alloy was comprised of on any vehicle here so it's not possible to use the melting point of elemental aluminum to draw conclusions from. Keep that in mind when you address the effects of heat on aluminum alloy wheels in a fire.

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There are also magnesium alloy wheels.

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There are also magnesium alloy wheels.

Good point. There are probably quite a few new alloys of various metals being used in the making of modern wheels/rims. That only makes it more difficult to know when those alloys would melt under fire conditions. I suspect some of these modern alloys have quite low melting points since they were designed for use due to their other properties of strength, resilience and weight rather than high heat since the generally will no see high operating temperatures in normal use. I wonder if we could find some burned out tire and wheel shop images that have melted wheels too. That could be an important find that could make the discussion more realistic and accurate.

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You never answered where all the rubble from the twin towers went.

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You never answered where all the rubble from the twin towers went.

Buildings like the towers have fairly deep pits filled with basements in order to have the foundations of the building meet bedrock. A lot of the mass went there. A lot of the concrete mass also composed the the dust that spread quite a distance. The towers were not solid. Much of the volume the towers took up was empty (empty in the sense of not being filled with walls and other structural components). Sure there was lots of office items in there, but overall how much of that volume did those items take up? I'd say the overall volume of the towers were still mostly empty space so the there is much less material to account for here.

I don't have an explanation for why the concrete obliterated the way it did, but I do know the way the towers were constructed make for very little support on the interior since the structural steel members were mostly the outside skin rather than lots of interior columns. The concrete floors were not supported the same as other buildings. This would lead to more floors getting impacted by the mass above them as they fell. concrete is strong in compression but very weak in any other application of force, particularly flexure and torsion. I could see it failing due to the immense stresses and possibly turning to dust, but I can't say for sure. I do think that it is a common misconception by many to expect more rubble and debris from the towers because people assume them to have been much more massive (as in more mass) in their interiors really were.

The towers didn't come down from jets impacting them. They had to have been demolished with a lot of work done prior to the impacts. The planes were distractions. I don't have all the answers, and no one else does either, but the physics of the whole event support some possible scenarios and none of them seem to support directed energy weapons because, honestly, no one knows what that sort of thing would actually look like in real life. No one has ever been able to show a real DEW system operating at scale and against non-testing scenario targets. The footage that gets passed around as proof is no better than when china puts out their propaganda video on their achievements. Every calls the moon landing videos fake, but the same government produced these laser and energy weapon videos and all of a sudden they are considered 10000% real and true. Again, this is the bias of people who want to have things be a certain way and then suspending all skepticism in order to have the videos support their worldview. I cannot accept that knowing what I know about how our (((government))) and (((military))) operate.

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>The towers didn't come down from jets impacting them

Yeah I agree with that for sure. I made a post about this subject (missing rubble), just telling you.

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These are the same comments that surrounded the Paradise fire, and a few others in California.

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I've melted aluminum in a well-stoked fire that had some tar shingles in it. It was quite accidental.