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I was searching here to see what people think about the Oppenheimer movie and to learn more about who and what the movie is about. What I found were discussions about nuclear weapons like the atomic bomb being fake.

This is the first I’m hearing of this, and my interest is piqued. Can anyone recommend a good video/documentary discussing the topic? I’m ignorant about all of this, and I want to learn about it. Thanks!

I was searching here to see what people think about the Oppenheimer movie and to learn more about who and what the movie is about. What I found were discussions about nuclear weapons like the atomic bomb being fake. This is the first I’m hearing of this, and my interest is piqued. Can anyone recommend a good video/documentary discussing the topic? I’m ignorant about all of this, and I want to learn about it. Thanks!

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They are real. That conspiracy theory is retarded. If you have base access (an incredible percentage of Americans do), you can visit the Trinity Test Site with a geiger counter any day they're not using it for bombing practice. If you dont, they have it open a couple times a year for any rando tourist to visit.

Few people do because White Sands is in the ass end of nowhere, but this is easy to debunk yourself.

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Even if you dont have base access, trinity is open twice a year to the public

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And even if you dont have base access, it's not hard to get by proxy. Active duty, GS, contractors, veterans, and their dependants have it. And they can generally chaperone anyone they want.

People have been visiting Chernobyl for over a decade, showing normal levels of radiation, at the exact same time "the authorities" claim Chernobyl will be uninhabitable for noth 50 years.

Go ahead and explain that one away.

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Those were low double digit kiloton weapons that were detonated as air bursts. Now a days they would be classified as tactical nukes. So, you wouldn't expect a "nuclear wasteland".

Nukes are real, but they are nowhere near the doom porn that the media makes them out to be. A nuclear war would suck, and kill a lot of people, but it's not an extinction level event. The Nuclear Winter stuff is all bullshit too. It's based on an unsophisticated model from the 70s with ridiculous assumptions.

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They were also relatively "clean" compared to what we call "dirty" bombs. Additionally, generally, the explosions became relatively cleaner over time. Likewise, this is specifically why underground testing became the norm. As this significantly reduced the worst of it above ground. Locking in the worst radioactivity underground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSjratvNGmo

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But they say Chernobyl should be uninhabitable for at least 100 yeras after the event.

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The wildfires in canada blanketed a good portion of the US in thick smoke. That same wind distribution will cover large areas in radioactive fallout. Those blasts will come with large fires too.

The media can't be trusted, but nuclear winter is a real threat given the fact that dozens, if not hundreds, of nukes go off evenly spaced accross the continent.

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Tricky thing about radiation: it wasnt spread evenly from Chernobyl, and also is diluted unevenly. E.g. some surface dirt upwind of the facility? Likely negligible radiation for both reasons. Downwind? Depends if it's surface level dirt or in a sheltered building that slows dilution.

This turns into a turd in the punchbowl scenario. 95% of it is harmless punch by now. Care to blindfold yourself and try some punch to see if you get lucky?

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Oppenheimer was a closet communist and directly helped transfer nuclear technology to the Jews, the Rosenbergs.

Oppenheimer was a communist traitor.

Much like Einstein (a plagiarist and thief) is falsely attributed for the works of others, I've also wondered about Oppenheimer?

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They are real

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You just have to believe that all open testing of said nukes stopped in the 60s... for... reasons.

Trust us goyim, nukes totally exist! If you don't obey we will launch them, goy! Don't you dare step out of line goy!

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What is your point? I am aware of the treaty to ban nuke testing. The question is, did they all decide to stop at once?

Your answer will be something along the lines of "because big boom make bad" or something along the official narrative. Yet, I don't find the official narrative to be any more credible than what some random anon says.

Thus we're back to the original question of "why did they all decide to stop at once?"

[–] 6 pts

They are real.

Many of the nuclear test videos released early on were likely propaganda created with scale models.

Again, that doesn't make nuclear bombs fake. There's forensic evidence in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to this day.

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That’s something I didn’t tie together and totally makes sense. Thanks.

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There is no radioactive wasteland in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Dresden had worse damage.

The footage you've seen of those explosions are fake.

Many people have suggested that nukes are, if not totally overblown in their reputation, completely fake.

The reasons are that a lot of the footage is totally fake of early nuclear tests.

In China, in particular, their videos from the 60s show completely bogus "computers" and then show an army of men on horses and in gas masks rushing towards the explosion with fire hoses and rifles.

The American tests are also not that convincing looking when you compare what Hollywood can do today. The building blowing away in slow motion is one obviously fake example. Also, keep in mind, the person who was in charge of curating the Kennedy assassination footage is also in charge of preserving the nuclear testing footage.

One of the original stories of the American tests is that, in order to compare blasts and assign a "kiloton" number, they set up two towers. One with 15 kilotons of TNT and another with "the bomb". They, then, set off both towers simultaneously and coincidentally got it exactly right.

Another reason is that Hiroshima and Nagasaki experienced less destruction than Dresden and there is no radioactive aftermath. The cities were inhabitable and rebuilt right away. There is no nuclear winter in Japan. In fact, the Fukushima plant is considered far more dangerous of a location. Many have stated that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were merely firebombed, like Dresden, and it was blamed on an atomic bomb as a form of propaganda.

Keep in mind, Japan had already surrendered.

For that and many other reasons, plenty of people think that nukes are fake and merely a scare tactic of propagandists.

Generally, wherever you are on the Internet, shills will appear if you attempt to argue this issue in favor of the unpopular opinion, showing that it is still a topic of concern to propagandists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGpseJ39keA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y0fD-wMNUw

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There is no radioactive wasteland in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Small fission bombs don't create a "nuclear wasteland". Fallout is severely overhyped. There's an increase in cancer though from Hiroshima survivors: https://www.rerf.or.jp/en/programs/roadmap_e/health_effects-en/late-en/cancrisk/

Dresden had worse damage.

Yeah, no shit. They firebombed it. That doesn't mean fission and fusion bombs are fake.

The footage you've seen of those explosions are fake.

Some of the footage is fake.

Many people have suggested that nukes are, if not totally overblown in their reputation, completely fake.

"Some people say." Who fucking cares?

The reasons are that a lot of the footage is totally fake of early nuclear tests.

Why are you repeating yourself? I know a lot of the early tests were fake footage. Again, this doesn't mean they don't exist.

In China, in particular, their videos from the 60s show completely bogus "computers" and then show an army of men on horses and in gas masks rushing towards the explosion with fire hoses and rifles.

Ok? It makes sense for countries to fake how advanced their technology is.

The American tests are also not that convincing looking when you compare what Hollywood can do today. The building blowing away in slow motion is one obviously fake example. Also, keep in mind, the person who was in charge of curating the Kennedy assassination footage is also in charge of preserving the nuclear testing footage.

No one is disagreeing that much of the early footage was faked. This doesn't change the fact that nuclear fission and fusion are real. It's hard science that you can replicate yourself to a sufficient degree that you can understand exactly how nukes work.

One of the original stories of the American tests is that, in order to compare blasts and assign a "kiloton" number, they set up two towers. One with 15 kilotons of TNT and another with "the bomb". They, then, set off both towers simultaneously and coincidentally got it exactly right.

I don't know the specifics of that test. It wouldn't be "coincidentally" though. It means they understood the payloads and were correct.

Another reason is that Hiroshima and Nagasaki experienced less destruction than Dresden and there is no radioactive aftermath.

That's false.

The cities were inhabitable and rebuilt right away.

Yeah, because nukes aren't as bad as the hype would make them seem. There were people vaporized and detectable radioactive isotopes though, and still are.

There is no nuclear winter in Japan. In fact, the Fukushima plant is considered far more dangerous of a location. Many have stated that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were merely firebombed, like Dresden, and it was blamed on an atomic bomb as a form of propaganda.

Nuclear winter is hyperbolic bullshit, just like "climate change". They have no idea what will happen to the earth if there is an all-out nuclear war. Again, this doesn't mean that fission and fusion don't exist.

Keep in mind, Japan had already surrendered.

Yeah, I know. (((Truman))) dropped the nukes to force the Emperor to step down because his jewish masters didn't want Japan to have a tie to their prior culture.

For that and many other reasons, plenty of people think that nukes are fake and merely a scare tactic of propagandists.

These aren't valid reasons to think fission and fusion are fake!

Generally, wherever you are on the Internet, shills will appear if you attempt to argue this issue in favor of the unpopular opinion, showing that it is still a topic of concern to propagandists.

Again, fission and fusion are real. There was absolutely propaganda about them and things were faked.

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Fallout is severely overhyped

You do a lot of picking and choosing of the information you accept.

The same people that claim nukes exist are those that claim "small fission bombs" create nuclear wastelands. Chernobyl, accoridng to "the authorities", is STILL a radioactive wasteland (recent "muh ukraine" has apparently made it worse by "kicking up radioactive dust" LOL). And yet, people have been visiting it for over a decade showing safe, normal levels of radioation.

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Again, that doesn't make nuclear bombs fake. There's forensic evidence in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to this day.

LOL. No there is not.

Those events were US firebombings. You know, like they did to 70+ cities in Japan during that time. Btw, Hiroshima and nagasaki were ranked ~30-40th in terms of total damage. Meaning, 30 cities received more damage from firebombings than the cities which allegedy got "the nuke".

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Yea, weird how photos of the jap cities show multiple concrete poles or power posts still standing while everything else is rubble - almost like you know a massive fire storm destroyed the city.

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You're misunderstanding the purpose of nuclear bombs, particularly against largely wooden cities such as Japan had at the time.

Large scale firebombing against targets with negligible AAA are more destructive than individual early nukes. However, that's not the point. Nuclear weapons are golden beebees. Targets with heavy AAA (like the Soviets, hint hint) can cause 50% attrition on bomber raids and reduce the damage by 50% or more. Likely more since AAA prevented precision bombing of the era. Against golden beebees, it doesn't matter if you shoot down 50% of the bombers if any single one can carry a nuke that mission kills your city. It's like preventing pregnancy. You either need to stop 100% of the sperm or you're going to lose.

The USA used nukes to accelerate the war with Japan, but primarily as a show of force against the USSR.

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2020 footage -- complete with film grain!

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Nagasaki and Hiroshima enter the chat.

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Yeah thats why I’m confused by what I was seeing. The footage of those drops and aftermath were Hollywood or something?

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Thousands of US soldiers were forced to observe nuclear testing. This was done to observe radiation exposure on battlefields. Many later died from cancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWyVd1iKa-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXHOG0q_DZA

White Sands test range is still highly radioactive.

Notice how facts directly contradict the lies told by others on this post.

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Good links. Thank you.

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Well, if they were fake, the trinity tests sure did make some weird shit out of thin air.

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Nukes are in the air, and therefor fake like birds?

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This is more Jew psyop garbage. Some Jew psyop garbage:

Space is fake

Never landed on the moon

Flat earth

Nukes are fake

Jews are the "chosen people" (bible says Christians are, and no one else).

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Never landed on the moon

Your list is good except for this one.

Look into the Van Allen belts.

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I have. Anyone pointing at the Van Allen Belt has never made a good faith effort to learn about it. Which is why Jews prey upon people and push this false psyop. They know people are too lazy to research for themselves.

You goy never achieved anything great. Everything you are has been gifted from us Jews.

The (((Soviets))) were permitted first to space to provide an international legal precedence such that airspace did not extend into space. The US already had plans for a dozen manned spy sats. This is why they were testing high altitude parachute recoveries.

Von Braun's rocket was mothballed some 9-18 months before the (((Soviets))) launched Sputnik. Done for a variety of sociopolitical reasons.

After Sputnik and repeated AF failures, Von Braun's rocket was taken out of storage and placed directly on a launch pad. He removed his satellite from the truck of his car, placed it on top, and launch it into orbit.

Space is a humiliation for the children of Satan. The moon is the first heavenly exploration by the Adamites and Jews loath this fact. It is a reminder they are the children of Satan and inferior corruptions of the Godly Adamites.

You are a victim of a pro-Jew psyop.

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You goy never achieved anything great. Everything you are has been gifted from us Jews.

That’s a stupid sentiment. I think our ancestors were amazing without going to the moon.

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What about birds and 5G?

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There is some truth to it, but not as pushed.

5G uses more dangerous frequencies. All of the common frequencies have been in common use for decades. Nothing new. What is new is use for end user devices and higher power outputs. Higher power is used because the frequencies are more easily attenuated (pollution, humidity, trees, leafs, rain, etc.). But the power falls off more quickly.

But, it means birds which roost in front of the transmitters will be cooked. The prohibited danger zones for humans are much larger now. Most of stuff provided on this topic is propaganda, misunderstanding, or misrepresentation.

5G is a standard for signaling and frequencies and power levels. The signaling is new. The frequencies are mostly old.

The danger of non-ionizing radiation is a function of energy density and power. These higher frequencies do not penetrate skin for the same reason it's attenuated by the atmosphere.

Now then, certified devices frequently use illegal power levels. Meaning most certified devices are actually illegal for use. Accordingly there is some danger from use of these devices.

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Yeah, when you're a meter from your phone (transmitter) you're getting more exposure from it than from the tower.

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Sorry, I wasn't specifically asking about the relationship of birds and 5G.

I was inquiring about the claim that birds are in fact, not real. Also, does the alphabet agencies use what we know as birds as devices to spy as rumored?

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To believe in nukes is to accept what the government tells you as fact.

You don't know they exist. You've seen recordings from the government and believe they have the means to "destroy the world" with the push of a button.

It's nonsense fear propaganda. Nukes are the perfect tool to keep the goyim in line.

Also, assume for a moment that nukes don't exist. What changed in your life? Nothing. Do not be afraid.

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Governments never needed nukes to terrorize their own population or keep them in line as you say, the past thousand years before the invention of nukes are a good example of that

What would or could you do if one retard decided to push the button? Nothing. Just as you can't do shit if your own gvt decides to get directly involved in another world war...

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If a jew made a movie and says it's based on a true story then you can guarantee that it is fake.

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DS trying to take all their tech and devolve the world while they keep the tech. Then all of a sudden a nuke ie will go off and the world won’t know wtf happened. God maybe. Better listen to a certain group that’s been telling you to behave.

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I've heard of something like this theory before. The detail that trips me up is the peoples' shadows being burned into the sides of buildings...would a nuke do that? Wouldn't the buildings themselves be obliterated as well as the people?

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