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I'm thinking about getting the Focusrite Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen for saxophone recording with the Shure 57. Says it all has good reviews.

I'm thinking about getting the Focusrite Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen for saxophone recording with the Shure 57. Says it all has good reviews.

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Had a Digi 002 for many years with a Black Lion Audio modification. If you’re aren’t familiar with black lion mods, look into it. Basically they switch out the crap grade components in the analog paths of interfaces. They also have mods for the clocks and AD/DA converters.

My computer finally shit the bed and I had to get a new one for recording. The Digi 002 won’t work with newer computers so I had to also get a new interface. I opted for a UAD Apollo x8, which I also had modded by black lion.

Black lion also makes their own two channel interface, so they may be something to consider. I have not used it before, but have a buddy who recently bought one. For the record, I think he got rid of his focusrite Scarlett in favor of it.

I have two black lion outboard preamps and one of their analog compressors, as well.

UAD also makes smaller channel interfaces than the 8 channel that I have. I’ve only ever used their 8 channel interface that I own, so I can’t speak to others except to say UAD makes quality stuff.

What I do know is that in pro studios, you probably won’t find a lot of focusrite stuff (if any), but you will find UAD stuff (among others).

I don’t know about now, but in the past focusrite was considered crap, at least in the audio engineering school I went to. Yeah they used to be owned or run by Rupert Neve, but he sold the company and it went to shit in terms of quality.

In my professional opinion, your best sound will come from high quality clock/converters and by using a quality external preamp being fed into the interface via mic/line level inputs (not built in preamps on the interface). Some built in pres are considered ok by some, but most interface companies skimp on quality to keep costs down.

FWIW, I personally avoid built in pres and always opt for outboard pres…

But then I really care about sound quality, and maybe you don’t as much. Nothing wrong with that if you’re just having fun or making demos.

SM57 is a staple mic with lots of uses. I’ve never personally recorded a sax (or any horns) so I know little to nothing about those instruments. I typically use a 57 to mic guitar cabinets or other sources with high spl. But often I find myself using other mics and often in combinations (like a dynamic mic coupled with a condenser). I have a couple of 57s, but I also have an AKG D1000 that works nice on guitar cabs and in combination with condensers.

I think some folks use SM7B’s on horns, too, if I remember correctly. We certainly use them on guitar cabs and kick drums often.depends on the source and timbre, and what tone you’re going for, but I typically like a SM7B over a 57 on most things, personally.

57s (and all or most dynamic mics) are fairly directional, so that’s something to consider, too. Not really a problem for a guitar cabinet since it’s stationary. But a dude playing a horn may be moving some. If you use a 57, you’re going to want to stay as stationary as possible when recording, and also be wary of the mic angle. This isn’t as big of an issue with condensers typically, though. You still want to move as little as possible probably, but condensers are more forgiving and not usually as directional as a 57…though they are more sensitive and will clip out at much lower spl than a 57. That’s not to say youb ouldnt record with a condenser, but you’ll have to feed it a lot less preamp gain than you would a dynamic mic like a 57.. which also brings up another topic: signal to noise ratio. Dynamic mics like 57s typically have higher noise levels than condensers, too. But then a sax is pretty loud so it may not really be an issue.

If there’s a place in your town to rent mics, that may be the way to go to figure out what you’d like best on your horn. Do some A/B tests, then buy what you like best.

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It's night and day. 'Sound proofing' foam is not egg cartons stapled to your wall.

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Well, to begin with there’s a difference between sound proofing a room and simply treating a room for reflections and standing waves.

I was talking specifically about the latter, which can be achieved rather easily and cost-effectively.

Sound proofing is a whole other animal that requires a lot more in terms of materials, money, design, etc.

For the purposes of what OP is doing (one guy recording a sax), sound proofing isn’t necessary at all.

Hell, even for what I do, which is quite a bit more involved than recording a single instrument, it isn’t necessary either.

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Also the best cheap hack is to get a pack of that cheap sound muffling foam you see streamers put on their walls and build a curved foam backdrop for your mic. The amount of clarity created by reducing echo from hard surfaces can't be understated

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Agreed on treating the room with foam. But after you’ve done that, there’s not much reason to also treat the rear side of the mic. Seems like overkill with very little (or any benefit) if the walls are already treated. And unless he’s using a mic with a figure 8 or Omni pickup pattern, it’s even more of a moot issue. A decently treated room alone will work just fine with a cardioid mic (which a 57 has a cardioid pickup pattern). Just my two cents.

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You gotta understand most shit sold that streamers use is ok but not proper real sound studio foam. Every bit helps when you're focused on music quality. I'm not saying buy the real shit tho... that stuff is expensive af.

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Dude literally anything that is soft and/or angled will work. Basically, if it absorbs mid and high frequencies and/or diffuses them (bounces them off at odd angles) and keeps them from bouncing between walls over and again, it’s doing its job. Preferably a combination of both is probably best.

But in any case, you don’t have to buy the expensive stuff from guitar center or Sweetwater. Cover the walls in thick blankets and you’ll get a dead sound just as well for a fraction of the price.

Hell, I’ve surrounded a guitar amp with blankets with the mics inside. Worked just fine, no reflections made it back into the mics.

The test is to clap. If it’s dead in the room you’ll hear no reflections.

And believe it or not, a lot of studios have just a little bit of reflections in the tracking rooms on purpose. They don’t make it completely dead, in other words. And then they may have the vocal booth dead as dead can be. It depends what’s being recorded and how lively they want it. Tracking drums in a room with a little bit of reflections actually sounds better to my ear than a completely dead space usually.

All in all, if you can pull off real live reverb and make it sound right, it beats the shit out of digital emulations pretty much every time.

Just last week, I got this wild idea to put a couple of mics in the corners of my mix room to create “room mic” tracks. I played the drums track through monitors, and those mics recorded what came through the monitors. Sounds crazy, but it did what I intended…which was to give me a room mic stereo track to liven up the drums a bit.

Muting it on and off in the mix, it was a no brainer to keep it. It sounded way better with the mic’ed tracks than without.

All that to say, a little room reflection isn’t bad if you can control it, are intentional with it, and you know what you’re doing.

I ended up doing a little experiment where I recreated more “room mic” tracks for the other different instrument groups in the mix.

Granted, the room mics in solo sound like shit, but that’s not what matters. What matters is how they sounded in the full mix.. and they made the full mix come alive!

To be clear, all the tracks were already mixed really well. EQ and compression, all of that stuff. The “room mic” tracks were the finishing touch, and they probably sounded so good because the tracks I used to create them were already mixed pretty far along. Point being, if I would have created those room mic tracks with untreated audio, it probably would have sounded like shit.

The room mic tracks themselves were only slightly EQ’ed and compressed. I didn’t have to do much to them except set them at the appropriate volume relative to the other tracks in the mix.

This is something I’m going to start doing more since it worked so well.

I guess I’ve got off on a tangent at this point, but I’m just saying that there are rules, but then there also aren’t at the same time. Try stuff and see what works. The most expensive solutions are not ever necessarily the best ones for any given problem.

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I have a behringer UMC202HD. I think I got it over the focus rite because something was better... either the preamp or the audio quality being 192 Hz. of course, this is a couple years ago, so you will have to do your own research and see what specs have changed or are important to you.

I don't do any audio recording either, really. basically just have a guitar going into a series of vsts and modelers to be able to play with a more saturated sound at indoor volumes.

using it with Windows 10 was no problem and the latency is low for live monitoring. I couldn't get it to work with an acceptable latency using Debian and inadvertently messed up the kernel trying to install some software version that could work better with whatever Linux audio system there was, I forget if it was pulse or whatever.

edit: of course, if you're just looking to record a sax, that is irrelevant.

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Yeah Pulse sucks, it was written by the same mouthbreather that wrote systemd. Thankfully there is a few replacements now, but documentation is sparse.

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I also plan to just use linux however I'll probably test the setup on windows / mac to see if there are any differences. I just want a pro intro level setup so I can record myself to send to friends / family and possibly to make a channel for the pressure / opportunity it would create to improve myself, and to record myself so I can hear my own self as a full lot and identify improvement points / avenues etc.

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both solid choices. and Focusrite has decent software included.

I'm currently using

ART Tube MP/C Preamp Compressor

feeding into

Alto Professional ZMX52 | Professional 5-Channel Compact Mixer

feeding into my pc

MXL Mics 770 Cardioid Condenser Microphone

Voicemeter Potato

FL Studio

4 presonus studio monitors

2 PreSonus Eris E5 BT-5.25" Near Field Studio Monitors with Bluetooth, 100W Power, Subwoofer Output, Plus Balanced and Unbalanced Inputs

2 PreSonus Eris E3.5-3.5" Near Field Studio Monitors (Pair) – Powered Desktop Speakers for Music Production, Studio-Quality Recording, and Active Media Reference

1 PreSonus Eris Sub 8 Compact Studio Subwoofer

I paired the studio monitors and subwoofer all off the same audio source by using rca splitter cables

xDuoo MT-602 Tube Hybrid Headphone Amplifier

It's not used to power the studio monitors but does nicely color their output tone w/ a warmer tube quality.

AKAI Professional MPD218 - USB MIDI Controller with 16 MPC Drum Pads, 6 Assignable Knobs, Note Repeat & Full Level Buttons and Production Software

Ipad, mac air, and android tablet also feed into the mixer and my window audio input

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Haven't done recording I'm years. Don't remember