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TL;DR: This post has two parts with separate questions. 1) How many people thought I my friend, celestialdessert, was Hans Johan? 2) How do we go about disputing downvotes as mods? Please try to respond to both in your comment.

So, I have this friend . Celestialdessert likes to post about nationalism, human cultural differences, travel, social engineering and JigglyPuff. One day this guy shows up. Johan has some really kooky ideas. Celestialdessert argues with him in comments to try and get some reasoning out of Johan, but it doesn't really go anywhere. My friend then gets the idea to just play along and makes subs for this guys topics and plays along with his ideas. For my friend it's all mockery, but this mockery looks no different than actually being a kook to outside observers. My friend has been worried about this realization for days. Can I get some honesty over how you guys feel about my friend's behavior? Just asking for him. I swear.

If I can talk about myself for a moment, raised an important point to me in a conversation we had . was banned (this was reversed the same day during the conversation) from because he downvoted posts and Athena tried to contact him about the downvotes, but he did not respond. Was this response appropriate? Nobody knows. This was actually set off by me as her fellow mods, and , were messaged by me because of what I said : "In fact, I'll be going through the subs I share with Hans and asking people who downvoted Hans for an explanation." Athena argued she made her call because of the precedent I set. Of course I left it unclear as what I'd do if I people didn't remove downvotes. What did end up doing was just letting the downvotes go, but that wasn't clear to anyone. So, let's work this out as a community. If someone downvotes your post in your sub or a post in your sub and you think it isn't spam, how do you go about this as a mod? Should we have a site-wide gentleman's agreement in regards to whatever policy we come up with or should each sub have the mod's individual stance clearly spelled out?

TL;DR: This post has two parts with separate questions. 1) How many people thought ~~I~~ my friend, celestialdessert, was ~~Hans~~ Johan? 2) How do we go about disputing downvotes as mods? Please try to respond to both in your comment. So, I have this friend @celestialdessert. Celestialdessert likes to post about nationalism, human cultural differences, travel, social engineering and JigglyPuff. One day this guy @JohanCaterpillarsock shows up. Johan has some really kooky ideas. Celestialdessert argues with him in comments to try and get some reasoning out of Johan, but it doesn't really go anywhere. My friend then gets the idea to just play along and makes subs for this guys topics and plays along with his ideas. For my friend it's all mockery, but this mockery looks no different than actually being a kook to outside observers. My friend has been worried about this realization for days. Can I get some honesty over how you guys feel about my friend's behavior? Just asking for him. I swear. If I can talk about myself for a moment, @Athena raised an important point to me in a conversation we had [here](https://poal.co/s/Whatever/64061). @x0x7 was banned (this was reversed the same day during the conversation) from [/s/Feminism](https://poal.co/s/Feminism/hot) because he downvoted posts and Athena tried to contact him about the downvotes, but he did not respond. Was this response appropriate? Nobody knows. This was actually set off by me as her fellow mods, @Hephestus and @zombielordzero, were messaged by me because of what I said [here](https://poal.co/s/TellPoal/63322): "In fact, I'll be going through the subs I share with Hans and asking people who downvoted Hans for an explanation." Athena argued she made her call because of the precedent I set. Of course I left it unclear as what I'd do if I people didn't remove downvotes. What did end up doing was just letting the downvotes go, but that wasn't clear to anyone. So, let's work this out as a community. If someone downvotes your post in your sub or a post in your sub and you think it isn't spam, how do you go about this as a mod? Should we have a site-wide gentleman's agreement in regards to whatever policy we come up with or should each sub have the mod's individual stance clearly spelled out?

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[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

I really think they need to change it overall. Otherwise it's an entire discussion time and time again over the down arrow (Downvote on hover). It just becomes a discussion time and time again. Discussing it for the next few months and such alone. Thread after thread and such to as well during that time.

IDK entirely or completely though. I just figure it should be changed overall.

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I’ve been petitioning for a year to get a fuck you button let’s make it happen

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

"fuck you" button? so if you don't like a post you can just say "fuck you?" Just post it in the comments and such then at that point and state your reasoning for it? "fuck you" doesn't say much to me personally. Not sure what you mean though exactly.

I figure you are better off just posting why it's a wrong view and/or etc to someone personally in the comments section.

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Some posts or comments aren’t worthy of my time to argue but not deserving of a down vote.

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Let's say that idea is implemented then. How do you go about disagreements over a post being voted as spam?

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

I would figure myself it should at least be "clear" spam. If you have to argue it then I'd just go with not spam for the most part. If they keep posting and such.

Short term = 1 week or so? - over that time if they keep doing it you should be able to easily catch them. Long term = 1 month or so? - if not at 1 week - should be able to easily catch them after a month of them constantly doing it.

I figure people like myself have bad days or rough days to say the least so one post sometimes might be viewed the wrong way.

Offensive trolls and such create constants - constants over time where you notice they are being offensive trolls / spammers / and/or etc to say the least as well.

If they can just remove the downvotes instantly and time will tell if they are being offensive trolls on purpose or spammers (whether intentional and/or unintentional) and such to say the least as well.