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TL;DR: This post has two parts with separate questions. 1) How many people thought I my friend, celestialdessert, was Hans Johan? 2) How do we go about disputing downvotes as mods? Please try to respond to both in your comment.

So, I have this friend . Celestialdessert likes to post about nationalism, human cultural differences, travel, social engineering and JigglyPuff. One day this guy shows up. Johan has some really kooky ideas. Celestialdessert argues with him in comments to try and get some reasoning out of Johan, but it doesn't really go anywhere. My friend then gets the idea to just play along and makes subs for this guys topics and plays along with his ideas. For my friend it's all mockery, but this mockery looks no different than actually being a kook to outside observers. My friend has been worried about this realization for days. Can I get some honesty over how you guys feel about my friend's behavior? Just asking for him. I swear.

If I can talk about myself for a moment, raised an important point to me in a conversation we had . was banned (this was reversed the same day during the conversation) from because he downvoted posts and Athena tried to contact him about the downvotes, but he did not respond. Was this response appropriate? Nobody knows. This was actually set off by me as her fellow mods, and , were messaged by me because of what I said : "In fact, I'll be going through the subs I share with Hans and asking people who downvoted Hans for an explanation." Athena argued she made her call because of the precedent I set. Of course I left it unclear as what I'd do if I people didn't remove downvotes. What did end up doing was just letting the downvotes go, but that wasn't clear to anyone. So, let's work this out as a community. If someone downvotes your post in your sub or a post in your sub and you think it isn't spam, how do you go about this as a mod? Should we have a site-wide gentleman's agreement in regards to whatever policy we come up with or should each sub have the mod's individual stance clearly spelled out?

TL;DR: This post has two parts with separate questions. 1) How many people thought ~~I~~ my friend, celestialdessert, was ~~Hans~~ Johan? 2) How do we go about disputing downvotes as mods? Please try to respond to both in your comment. So, I have this friend @celestialdessert. Celestialdessert likes to post about nationalism, human cultural differences, travel, social engineering and JigglyPuff. One day this guy @JohanCaterpillarsock shows up. Johan has some really kooky ideas. Celestialdessert argues with him in comments to try and get some reasoning out of Johan, but it doesn't really go anywhere. My friend then gets the idea to just play along and makes subs for this guys topics and plays along with his ideas. For my friend it's all mockery, but this mockery looks no different than actually being a kook to outside observers. My friend has been worried about this realization for days. Can I get some honesty over how you guys feel about my friend's behavior? Just asking for him. I swear. If I can talk about myself for a moment, @Athena raised an important point to me in a conversation we had [here](https://poal.co/s/Whatever/64061). @x0x7 was banned (this was reversed the same day during the conversation) from [/s/Feminism](https://poal.co/s/Feminism/hot) because he downvoted posts and Athena tried to contact him about the downvotes, but he did not respond. Was this response appropriate? Nobody knows. This was actually set off by me as her fellow mods, @Hephestus and @zombielordzero, were messaged by me because of what I said [here](https://poal.co/s/TellPoal/63322): "In fact, I'll be going through the subs I share with Hans and asking people who downvoted Hans for an explanation." Athena argued she made her call because of the precedent I set. Of course I left it unclear as what I'd do if I people didn't remove downvotes. What did end up doing was just letting the downvotes go, but that wasn't clear to anyone. So, let's work this out as a community. If someone downvotes your post in your sub or a post in your sub and you think it isn't spam, how do you go about this as a mod? Should we have a site-wide gentleman's agreement in regards to whatever policy we come up with or should each sub have the mod's individual stance clearly spelled out?

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[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

I think they need to change the bottom arrow to a flat bar so people can know it means spam instead of Downvote.

On every site online it's a Downvote arrow for the most part except a couple.

It says "Downvote" on it when you hover over the "Downvote" arrow or the arrow pointing down by the title.

[–] • 1 pt

That's a good point, but that doesn't really address the second question.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

I really think they need to change it overall. Otherwise it's an entire discussion time and time again over the down arrow (Downvote on hover). It just becomes a discussion time and time again. Discussing it for the next few months and such alone. Thread after thread and such to as well during that time.

IDK entirely or completely though. I just figure it should be changed overall.

[–] • 0 pt

I’ve been petitioning for a year to get a fuck you button let’s make it happen

[–] • 0 pt

Let's say that idea is implemented then. How do you go about disagreements over a post being voted as spam?

[–] • 2 pts

As of right now, the question is what is a measured response to a down vote that is not spam, and how many of those a moderator needs before what action is taken?

The free for all method is to just not care about them

If the down votes are for spam, the question becomes what are those votes called when they are not spam?

going farther, what are those votes called when clearly not spam and in a high volume? that would be called a brigade on reddit or voat. How many count as high volume?

And would a ban be appropriate for either of the above two conditions?

[–] • 2 pts

My understanding of poal's culture:

up vote = like content or good for sub

no vote = no interest in content or don't like

down vote = spam

is this accurate for this site? and how can we make this more clear to new accounts?

[–] • 2 pts

A sticky in the introduction sub could help.

[–] • 2 pts

Playing along with a nutty kook?! THAT IS DEPLORABLE BEYONF BELIEF, UNFORGIVABLE, AND I AM SO TRIGGERED NOW!!!!111

As for bans in reaction to downvotes, that's faggotry almost on the level of putt! And putt [mostly] came around and undid that... so now it;s worse!

[–] • 1 pt

Athena reversed the ban though.

[–] • 4 pts

Oh.

Well... then I stand corrected. It's not worse.

[–] • 1 pt

might want to add that sentence into the main paragraph, for clarity.

[–] • 0 pt

Sorry about that, I've added it.

[–] • 1 pt

I dont know why downvotes are even necessary right now. The mods are so quick to move any of my posts from whatever to anything, they can handle deleting spam. Why even have downvotes? Just make a flag for spam button.

[–] • 1 pt

Downvotes are the spam button. Everyone knows this. It's said all the time.

[–] • 0 pt

You should get a prompt then whenever you click it that says report spam yes/no

Similar to the prompt when deleting comments