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Clearly our enemies "fight dirty". They lie, cheat, manipulate, play victim to further their causes and agendas. The trannies whine and cry and lash out in the name of being oppressed, all while being the oppressor (this applies to many other demographics of people). Money changes hands to further certain politcal actions (environmentalist freaks come to mind). All sorts of shady dealings, but they get the job done, don't they?

Christians get a bad rep for being pushovers, and it shows with the seeming snuffing out of the Christian culture and values.

With this in mind, what is said about people that walk with God taking their own shady measures in the name of doing the right thing? Is it considered wrong because of the actions taken to do so, or would the ends justify the means?

Clearly our enemies "fight dirty". They lie, cheat, manipulate, play victim to further their causes and agendas. The trannies whine and cry and lash out in the name of being oppressed, all while being the oppressor (this applies to many other demographics of people). Money changes hands to further certain politcal actions (environmentalist freaks come to mind). All sorts of shady dealings, but they get the job done, don't they? Christians get a bad rep for being pushovers, and it shows with the seeming snuffing out of the Christian culture and values. With this in mind, what is said about people that walk with God taking their own shady measures in the name of doing the right thing? Is it considered wrong because of the actions taken to do so, or would the ends justify the means?

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[–] • 5 pts

Rational counterpoint.

The high road is suicide.

In war, the enemy gets a vote.

I will happily sin and condemn myself if it means the salvation of my children.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

The high road is suicide.

Ye of little faith.

[–] • 1 pt

I've seen the fruits of modern Christendom. I have very little faith.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

You're looking at corrupt man. I don't have any faith in the modern cenception of "the church" either

Don't put your faith in man. Man fails, God does not.

[–] • 0 pt

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

[–] • 2 pts

That's out of context. What Jesus was talking about there is your soul life and the ultimate end of keeping it. The soul life is your mind, will, and emotions. If you keep it, it will be destroyed in gehenna (all the things you want, the thoughts you think related to these evil desires, and all the emotions associated with them will come to an end.). If you give up such a thing, you will find the real soul life that you're supposed to have. This is a life where God is included and immorality is not something you desire to do. God will not be putting an end to such a life.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

I understand what the phrase means (Luke 17.33) but I disagree with the interpretation of it meaning of this reality and of this life. When speaking of things that aren't necessarily so ethereal (not calling into question anyone's faith in God and Jesus Christ as I have faith myself). But also remember;

Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Ephesians 6.11-12

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Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luke 22.36

We are told to take up armor and arms to fight specifically against not the devil himself (the ethereal as we can't fight the devil in this plane) but "rulers", "authorities" and "powers" and any sensible, any faithful, any honest interpretation of that means specifically not only those who literally govern in the government but those who are the useful idiots, the damned souls - may the Lord have mercy - those who have turned their back on righteousness, the adulterers, the idolaters, the blasphemers, the cruel, the wicked etc. Just as we are not to judge we do know through Faith how things are.

NOTE;

I am quoting The Holy Bible, I am NOT giving advice, I am NOT soliciting actions, I am NOT advocating actions of violence in any manner. Violence is bad and illegal. I do NOT condone violence.