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It's confusing to me because literally every single one is a $110k- senior level position. I just need a job to 'get back in the market'. It doesn't matter what it is so long as it's real. I can work myself up from within the same company, get raised to a senior level pay or just bounce to another company from there. But literally there seems to be no non senior level positions. I'm all over kill for them, but I guess because of my "2 year gap" and what'll even be worse, maybe no references that'll answer the phone anymore, they're going to demote me to "entry level" jobs. But there are none. They won't even let me offer half pay for the same job.

It's confusing to me because literally every single one is a $110k- senior level position. I just need a job to 'get back in the market'. It doesn't matter what it is so long as it's real. I can work myself up from within the same company, get raised to a senior level pay or just bounce to another company from there. But literally there seems to be no non senior level positions. I'm all over kill for them, but I guess because of my "2 year gap" and what'll even be worse, maybe no references that'll answer the phone anymore, they're going to demote me to "entry level" jobs. But there are none. They won't even let me offer half pay for the same job.

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[–] • 1 pt

In my field of corporate risk, anyone with experience starts out as a Senior consultant. If you have a couple years you can start at that, regardless of a gap. Know your worth, don’t make yourself look desperate. Most places no longer call references, all they can do is verify you have worked here or not. Good luck.

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What's interesting is I had one call who just said "You have experience in a very specific field / item. Our firm / group simply just hires you / people from this group basically without an interview. So we just go off by talking with your previous managers. Can you please just give us the names of your previous managers".

And I got pretty fired up. I was like I can you tell the names of my previous managers. But I can you tell you my previous manager got fired shortly after I was let go, and it was probably because of letting me go. I don't see how I could ever give that manager as someone who should be referencing me. I can give the names of two other managers I had there but I have no clue what they'll say. Probably nuetral-good. But I have no clue. I was technically let go with severance.

And I asked them, can you see how there is a potential conflict of interest with this approach? Not all previous direct managers can or are preferred to be references. I asked them how they normally deal with this conflict of interest, ie if I'm currently employed how do I use my current direct manager? I told I can get references of people I worked with, or I went down the list of previous jobs and explained the exit situations and that all could be used, but not all preferred and why. (ie one left on great terms, mutual scenario left for location reasons, other left for too low pay, expected sour impression, another left even though it was going great, they've been trying to rehire me for years, probably jealous and using them would weaken my own relation with them).

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I would just give them the corporate number and the manager’s name that fired you. They can verify your employment. If you live in the US they cannot legally ask more than that. Don’t offer references unless they specifically ask. If you need personal references ask a friend or former coworker.

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I gave the list but I actually told them do not contact them unless you make an offer. I said do not burn my references' willingness to be a reference unless you have an offer.