"I was one of those idiots and boy did it hurt when I realized how blind I was." It's the kind of thing one has to go through on their own.
"But this person is curious about what happened and they’re waking up." Then let them figure it out. It's better that way anyhow.
"...they promised they would listen if I brought data." Unlikely. What they'll probably do is lord their education over you and find ways to invalidate your data.
If they were at all interested in a nuanced, data-driven take on it.. there's plenty of it out there already, catalogued and delivered by people who are actually qualified more than you or I. Dr. Malone, Dr. McCollough to name just two. Steve Kirsch, who isn't a doctor but is a professional data analytics guy. Do you really believe that this person has never heard what these gentlemen have to say about it? I highly doubt it. I'd bet you that if anything, this person you speak of has already summarily dismissed these people. The point is, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.
And frankly, you shouldn't even be leading the horse to water. Why would you take on the burden of doing this person's research for them? And why do they feel it is your duty to do that research for them?
This motherfucker is so high and mighty and educated and all, well then he can do his own fucking research.
And keep in mind where the true burden of proof lies. They are the ones supporting the side of medical tyranny, not you. It's not on you to prove to them why medical tyranny is evil and wrong. You aren't the one trying to force them to do anything. I had no problem with idiots choosing to volunteer in a medical experiment. I think they're idiots, but then they have that right.
Where shit got twisted is when motherfuckers started telling me that I HAVE TO PARTICIPATE in that shit. So no, the burden is not on you to prove why something inherently evil (forcing a medical experiment on others) is evil. Don't fall for that burden of proof switching bullshit. The truth is actually that it's on them to prove to me that it's not evil and/or not medical tyranny.. which is impossible, because it is and it is. The common sense fact of the matter is that if it were so objectively good, you wouldn't have to try to force people to do it with a gun to their head. Period. There is no getting around that fact.
The most I do anymore is make little subtle comments when they start noticing things I told them 3 years ago.
Like "Yeah, I know. Remember, I told you this three years ago. It's ok, you'll figure it all out at some point."
And then I walk away.
What you said about Burden of Proof is absolutely true. How the fuck did I allow that get turned around backwards? It came to me yesterday after a conversation where I was so disgusted that it was up to me to prove to them the truth of the situation. This was my basic mistake. Thank you for reminding me about Kirsch and those people, though you're right, this person has already dismissed the people they were told to dismiss. "Prove to me that this is safe long term". Getting this on a t shirt. It was the only data point I needed. This was my rationale in the beginning and unless I'm missing something, I was right. I'm one of those dummies who's willing to be wrong, too.
Yeah, you gotta watch out because the demons controlling them will try to use linguistic jiu jitsu and logical fallacies. It’s easy to go along and argue by their rules, to argue based on their false premises.
You gotta be sharp and don’t accept any false premises to begin with. Kill their bullshit at the root.
One example is that a Pfizer rep testified to the EU that they never even conducted any tests to determine if the vaccine stops spread. This is on video, it’s easy to find.
So, someone who claims to be a “scientist” as your friend does, can’t really use any scientific argument to say Pfizer’s claim that the vax stops spread is based on anything more than a blatant lie. Because the very people he’s trying to defend already undermined his position with their own words.
Another is the most obvious example: you can’t claim something is “safe and effective” when you haven’t done long term studies. And you can’t do long term studies when only 2-3 years has passed since you launched it. Anything to the contrary is a fucking lie. This is by Dr. Fauci’s own admission, which again, is on video. He actually says “you can’t tel if a vaccine is safe in less than 10 years or so.” This is not some new theory, either. Most people know that FDA approval for drugs has always taken at least a decade.
The fact is that you don’t have to be a scientist to prove these people to be fools. Their argument falls apart under the most basic auspices of common sense and logic.
Now, that doesn’t mean that they’ll ever accept that they’re wrong. Like we said in the beginning of this conversation, cognitive dissonance is a powerful force because it’s based on emotion, which again, completely bypasses the logic circuits in the brain.
Add to that the fear factor. One big reason that people will still cling to bullshit beliefs - even despite the obvious lack of logic in doing so - is that there is a price to be paid by taking an honest look at those beliefs. And the bigger the possible repercussions at stake, the more they will cling to it. And people are afraid of that, deathly afraid. In this case, admitting that you were bamboozled then opens the floodgates in so many ways, and that’s scary. For one thing, it means they have to accept that they possibly willingly injected poison into their bodies that may do God only knows what to them. It’s easier to ignore this possibility and live in bliss than to face such a scary prospect. So, many people will cling to the bullshit and be totally committed to it in order to avoid all of the difficult things that would come with taking an intellectually honest look. And then even beyond that, if someone questions that one thing, they tend to start questioning other things. IE, “If they lied to me about that, what else have they lied about?” Which can go down an untold number of rabbit holes, with nothing but horror found in the depths of each one.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective), a lot of these folks will be forced to deal with reality if and when it comes to collect. Because reality gives not a fuck about the lies you tell yourself or those that you accept from others. Reality doesn’t magically cease to exist simply because you find it inconvenient. And even then, many of them will still live in denial, enabled to do so by the very people who lied to them in the first place.
Our path is really only for the very mentally strong. Most people don’t have the kind of strength we have to face this shit. It’s sad but true.
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